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DrakeClawfang
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09:26:36 PM Apr 16th 2014
May I suggest some of these entries be heavily trimmed?

  • Fan Dumb - The current list is so long I can't fit it all on my PC screen. Yeah, Critic has some dumbass fanboys, do we need this many examples to show it? We could remove a lot of these examples and replace them with something to the effect of "Many of Doug's fans get very defensive when he or his show is criticized, and treat the Critic's opinions as definitive fact. They're also quick to turn on him when the Critic does a bad review or, before the retool, when he did an editorial so he could take some time off or was too busy to do a full review." Misaimed Fandom could be similarly condensed

  • Funny Aneurysm Moment / Harsher in Hindsight - These two have the same problem, in that every instance a joke he made sometime in the past becomes ironic in some manner, it's listed. Quality of his humor aside, he's a comedian, this is gonna happen over and over and over and over. Do we need to list every single example? Some don't even make sense, like saying his jokes about Zack the Lego Maniac becoming a psychopathic bomber not being funny due to a terrorist attack, or the jokes about Pauly Shore's voice sounding like children being shot after Sandy Hook. What, were the jokes about terrorist bombings and shooting kids funny until reality kicked it to remind us that kind of stuff can actually happen? How about we cut it down to a list of the really painful ones and limit it to a handful of them?

  • Hilarious in Hindsight - Inverse problem of the above, you could pick any long-running comedian and note singular jokes of theirs that become ironic due to some event or another that happened in the future. We should trim these down to the in-universe examples - that is, the Critic says or does something, then in a later vid does something that makes it funnier, not something in real life happening. And again, just the really good ones.

  • Unfortunate Implications - the trope was overhauled long ago to demand citations to show that this is a widely held reaction, since most anything taken out of context could be seen as offensive and politically incorrect, and it seems that's happening here. While I agree some of Critic's jokes, especially since the retool, are not sensitive to women or the LGBT crowd, we could sum each of those two points up in a paragraph each with a brief example.
emeriin
09:31:06 PM Apr 16th 2014
Unfortunate Implications was discussed before on this page, and firstly the TRS says it's only the main page that needs citations (I don't know why either), and second I tried to limit it to examples with links or what Doug/Malcolm have discussed. Unless some others have slipped by that's all that's there and it's allowed. The others do need some trimming though.
DrakeClawfang
07:45:46 AM Apr 17th 2014
Ah, alright then, that's cool. The other ones, unless someone else wants to raise points, I'll slice them up later today.
DrakeClawfang
07:45:47 AM Apr 17th 2014
Ah, alright then, that's cool. The other ones, unless someone else wants to raise points, I'll slice them up later today.
OldManHoOh
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06:19:01 AM Mar 17th 2014

I, erm, Googled this and saw no such thing. And I went eleven pages in and still found nothing. There's the IMDb page, tgwtgsecrets, a YouTube mirror channel, but no actual links to a Sailor Moon review.
emeriin
08:54:03 AM Mar 17th 2014
I'm confused, are you saying the review doesn't exist? Because when I just type 'that guy with the glasses' it's the first review up. Besides, even if it's fallen off now, it still got a truckload of people aware of him.
OldManHoOh
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06:18:58 AM Mar 17th 2014
edited by 151.230.146.50
ignore, double post
emeriin
topic
04:08:49 PM Mar 15th 2014
edited by 81.100.41.21
Regarding the Unfortunate Implications removal, needing citations is only for the main page, and a lot of these had Malcolm/Rachel pointing them out or Doug responding in some way. Can those at least be put back?
harryhenry
04:34:40 PM Mar 15th 2014
Ok, sure those are legit reasons to put those back, so feel free to do so. But why can you only cite them for the main page and nowhere else? Why isn't it a site-wide thing?
emeriin
04:37:16 PM Mar 15th 2014
I'm not totally sure. The TRS thread just said for page only. I guess because YMMV pages aren't as important as a main page getting full of clutter? But thanks, I'll add some more links while I'm at it.
MightyKombat
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10:13:42 AM Feb 27th 2014
This page is a damn gigantic hotbed of Natter and violations of Repair DONT Respond. Should we lock it if this keeps up?
emeriin
11:09:29 AM Feb 27th 2014
edited by 212.183.128.193
I really don't think it's that bad, natter entries get deleted and compared to some there's not many times you have to tell people off.
MightyKombat
02:10:20 PM Feb 27th 2014
Yeah but considering who this guy is...
seg162
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01:06:45 PM Oct 3rd 2013
edited by 98.233.142.107
Also, Japanese planes DID shoot the ambulance. Case in point.

Removed— he mentioned how the hospital and general area were being bombed in the movie and how that never happened.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090812094924AA1kL7X

And for the Critical Research Failure bullet in general, his argument was that Michael Bay poorly represented the American military, citing other things aside from the fact that they couldn't swim.
LC
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11:36:51 AM Sep 21st 2013
Am I the only person in this site who does not really care about the critic's "character arc" and only watch it for the jokes? I feel alone
Gatomon41
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09:47:14 PM Aug 7th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.43
So is there a trope for a randomly placed tangent that doesn't seem to do anything with the work being reviewed, and leaves the viewers confused?

I'm trying to find one that describes the weird, out-of-nowhere discussion of Sailor Moon's fanservice and its cultural dissonance in the middle of that review (which takes up a good chunk, but adds little to nothing to the analysis), that leads to rather fringe ideas. The closest I can find is "What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic??", but I'm not sure if that's appropriate to use.
emeriin
09:48:57 PM Aug 7th 2013
I would go for Author Tract personally?
Gatomon41
11:07:23 PM Aug 7th 2013
Well, it's in regards to his reaction to the fanservice of the transformation sequences. He's not writing his beliefs about it in the thing he is reviewing - the Critic is interpreting this based on the show he watched.

The problem is, the tangent leads to (bizarrely) a discussion about Japan's laws in regard to... a tricky subject, and how messed up it gets. All of which has almost no connection to the show - at most, he seems to be reading too much into a sequence and seeing it out of proportion. In fact, a good ten mintues of the review is devoted to the side discussion, which really adds nothing to the analysis.
Aradials
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03:43:30 AM Jun 6th 2013
"The ending of AI, with male crossdressing being worse than affairs, racism or being a hooker to goats, and the insinuation of the directors being gay setting off Critic's Berserk Button. It was probably meant to come off as bashing hypocrisy and their missing the point, but with the straw of the TMZ workers, how cringey the above "sins" were played, and Reboot!Critic's own tendency to make homophobic jokes, as well as attack actors for nothing they can control, it made LGBT fans extremely uncomfortable. Again."

I think whoever wrote this kinda missed the joke here. I'm pretty sure it didn't matter which of the workers did what, it was just to show they were all doing something worse then the people they reported on on their show. The Critic was more bothered about the group insulting Kubrick and Spielberg's memory with a cheap shot. And I can't remember off the top of my head any homophobic jokes on Doug's part. Also, I couldn't find any LGBT fans attacking him for this. Anyone got anything?
emeriin
03:57:52 AM Jun 6th 2013
Loki editorial with the entire joke being Critic grossed out. Malcolm as a "catman inside of a catwoman", which even he said on twitter was humiliating, Bay a simpering parody of Donnie, Critic getting retconned into manleh, all the sex is only sex when man-on-woman jokes.

And the entry mentions what it was probably trying to do, but with the jokes and straw and self-righteous and not explaining well enough, it came off as incredibly homophobic.

Rob had to make a post on the forums saying how he didn't care that people thought it was pathetic.
Aradials
02:49:05 AM Jun 7th 2013
Alright, they're fair enough. Guess they just went over my head!
TacomaJones
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03:02:45 PM May 1st 2013
edited by 216.99.32.43
"Back at square one"? No way in he-Double hockey stick. The Nostalgia Critic has shown his character growth in several of his reviews. Sure, he may still be screechy and loud but he still understands that the Timothy Green actors were at least trying to make it work, and sympathized with Halle as she did the best she could with what she had. He learned his lesson, and it shows. Look at him making an honest effort in helping the Catwomen overcome their jealousy. In Cat in the Hat, he was keeping himself composed and compassionate with Evilina. This was his first venture into childcare and, I mean, think about the speeches he made in Pearl Harbor, Cat in the Hat, and yesterday's Top 11. He's approaching it from a filmmaker's perspective as he looks and sees a colleague meddle in people's nostalgia from iconic franchises and properties. The Critic isn't petty like he was before. His cameo in March of the Titans re-establishes Critic in the Channel Awesome world, and the 5th anniversary special will probably help that along even though he won't be in it. I'm annoyed that people are so cynical about this and think NC hit the reset button when he DIDN'T.
nononsense
03:06:36 PM May 1st 2013
edited by 70.33.253.44
He hit Evilina in the back of the head and told her to stop crying! He was patronizing and sexist to the catwomen, he was ageist to Madonna, he told women in the princesses editorial who they should be role-modelling, the Linkara cameo was just "I'm back deal with it" and he's mocking child stars with rimshots added. He's the devil's best friend and bonds with him over torture, and he used to be a Papa Wolf who outright said he never wanted to hurt people again. I might not care about Designated Protagonist Syndrome, but that shit isn't okay.
TacomaJones
03:14:29 PM May 1st 2013
Oh so all of a sudden a pat on the head makes him a child abuser? He's still a Papa Wolf, as shown later in the episode SEVERAL times. Where did he ever say he was the Devil's best friend? The only reason he did the favor was a sold soul, not out of friendship. I have so many other examples but even the ones I have right now are more than enough to throw out both bullets. Also, the editorials definitely show the growth in his demeanor.
nononsense
03:17:27 PM May 1st 2013
A pat? Watch the episode dude, she slapped him lightly, he screamed and punched her in the back of the head, then when she cried, shouted at her to shut up. And they bonded over torture of Soulless and the devil was proud of him, how is that not friendship? Plus, they really don't, he knew all this stuff before and he keeps de-learning those lessons.
TacomaJones
03:34:00 PM May 1st 2013
You're jumping to conclusions. Again, Zabub HAS HIS SOUL. Critic HAS to be friendly to him but can still be nice to other people as well. Doesn't make him an asshole. You're judging someone based on one or two minor acts. My point is that the DPS and FAM should not stand. I'm not saying Critic is perfect, but it's unfair to hold him to that standard. Critic is still learning, and thus his "arc is complete" claim is invalid. Please understand that both bullets should remain off.
nononsense
03:36:31 PM May 1st 2013
Fine, completely deviate from my point. This has been a triggering conversation anyway and I need a drink.
TheThoughtCounts45
01:06:47 PM May 16th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
I have to agree with Jones. It's also written that people were more interested in the Kardashian slams... REALLY? That's a single joke! What were people expecting? A Kardashian joke every single episode? What's the fun in that? You're telling me enough of the audience was fapping off to Malcolm's Devil portrayal to make it notable? That just can't be true

And also, as point 2 of my edit summary (I pressed my enter key expecting a new line, instead saving my edit early) you're treating it like Nostalgia Critic has to be 100% perfect. That's some pretty screwed up expectations. People have brief relapses. Nobody makes good decisions 100% of the time. People are allowed to be frustrated and make mistakes. Just because people are being unrealistic doesn't mean the show doesn't deserve to be about The Nostalgia Critic.
emeriin
03:58:46 PM May 16th 2013
"brief relapses" =/= hitting kids and giving torture tips to the devil, dude.
TheThoughtCounts45
05:00:51 PM May 16th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
You're harping on the hit like it makes a difference. It was the equivalent of an elbow to the chest. And again, it was not that hard. Not only is giving advice to the devil not normal or possible human behavior to begin with, but EVERYONE in To Boldly Flee partied with That Guy, who is one of the other two forms of the very same character, at the end. WITH SUPPLIED cocaine. What's with the double standard? Again, you're making it seem like the Nostalgia Critic has to be the most perfect human being, which is completely unfair, and doesn't support your point at all.

It's an audience reaction trope which means more than 2 people have to support it or else all audience reaction tropes would be listed in YMMV. "Look through fandom places"? That's like the first 600 times someone screams "WOLF!" and there be no wolf. Kid would have to defend themselves saying "There was a wolf! I swear! I swear!". Or everytime Candace fails to bust her brothers because there was no EVIDENCE. I have scoured the internet for any place that has a majority of people saying it, and there are no results. Nowhere did it say "Why can't the show be about them instead of the Nostalgia Critic?". That's the point of DPS: Does the character deserve to still be the focus. If it can't be proven, it shouldn't be there.

And The Cat in the Hat speech is not an example of Base Breaker either, because the poster clearly made it up considering how descriptive the pessimist side is. It's way too specific to cover enough people's opinions
emeriin
05:10:17 PM May 16th 2013
He made her cry and then yelled at her to stop. And this is hellspawn, that's pretty hard. And you're calling Double Standard? They partied at the end of To Boldly Flee because they needed it and none of them even talked to Ask That Guy. The devil liked the way Critic thought and Critic was pleased by Soulless's screams in hell, nobody's asking for perfection, just the same guy who ranted about how he's done nothing to make anyone's life better.

And scoured the internet? How is that even possible? When Tiggle3 argued the same thing as you did, people on the same side gave proof and it was deemed not good enough. That's missing the point of YMMV.

"Clearly made it up"? That's trusting. The example tried to give both sides.
SomeNewGuy
07:23:33 PM May 16th 2013
Look, I'm sorry your precious Demo Reel was canned, alright? But that's no excuse for you to constantly put down the post-revival episodes and constantly try to twist their genuinely good moments into cynical, pessimistic tripe.
SeptimusHeap
11:07:12 PM May 16th 2013
YMMV does not require a wide consensus in most cases since in practice, not "everything" gets added as an example.
TheThoughtCounts45
11:14:27 PM May 16th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
For the record, Emeriin, they didn't give proof. They just linked to TGWTG fan livejournals. There may be TGWTG fans there, but the fans mostly come from Facebook, Twitter, TGWTG, Blip, and YouTube. YouTube is a monster of its own not only because of Super Critics, Doug's official YouTube channel where people still comment their praises, but the fact that others STILL UPLOAD THE EPISODES TO THEIR OWN CHANNEL. Think about how many people do it. If so many thought that NC sucked the way you're describing, wouldn't they have stopped? You added the point back because it went unopposed, when the opposition was wiped off.

And of course the bit on the speech was cynical! Who would go as far to say "it was still filled with straw, Tastes Like Diabetes and weird dead-eyed acting?" and not show extreme bias when typing that? And how many people would you expect to agree with those exact feelings? It's incredibly specific, and the sentiment was found nowhere else

And Septimus, Audience Reaction tropes should represent bigger masses than the individual, or else anyone can add anything and according to you it'd be fine. It may be called "Your Mileage May Vary" but it needs major rep to be notable, or else any slight variation in opinion could be listed. It'd be a huge mess

FastEddie
moderator
08:54:03 AM May 17th 2013
It is YMMV. Everyone's useless fucking opinion is as welcome as anyone else's useless fucking opinion. Including yours. We are not the folks who get to say which ones are more or less useless than the others. There is no "proof" of these opinions, and we wouldn't be interested in it if there was.

What people think of some performer on a webcast is just so not what we're about, at all. That's why we have reviews session, so people can keep that junk out of the way of why we're here.
TheThoughtCounts45
09:50:22 AM May 17th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
It is not YMMV and no ounce of expletives or rambling will change that. The stuff you're trying to defend does not depict the show or its fandom at all. Designated Protagonist Syndrome does not fit and that's that. If it's all useless then why have YMMV at all?
SeptimusHeap
02:35:32 AM May 18th 2013
Designated Protagonist Syndrome is someone's opinion, so YMMV. It's not about the show. It's not about a so-called fandom either.

We have YMMV to collect opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.
TheThoughtCounts45
11:36:06 PM May 19th 2013
You're completely missing the point of YMMV. It's not just someone's' opinion, because it's supposed to represent the bigger picture, or else theoretically, any YMMV trope could apply, and then there'd be no point
SeptimusHeap
07:12:47 AM May 20th 2013
In theory, any YMMV trope or Audience Reaction would apply to anything.

It doesn't happen in practice. So you are wrong on the reasons, there is no practical way of telling "the bigger picture" and that is not what YMMV is there for.
blackcat
moderator
topic
07:47:48 AM Mar 21st 2013
There were enough people on either side of the issue to merit a reboot of the Designated Protagonist Syndrome discussion. It is not necessary to bring in external sources to support your argument. Defend from the trope definitions as written. (Note that rewriting trope definitions to support your argument after the fact will get you booted.) Keep it civil.
emeriin
01:24:24 PM Mar 21st 2013
How about this rewording?

Designated Protagonist Syndrome: Now that his character arc is done, some might say Critic is the least interesting thing about the revival. For example, in Son of the Mask, he has a big begging-for-death breakdown, but look through fandom places and that's mostly ignored in favor of talking about the film, the pony and Kardashian slams, how moe Psychopathic Womanchild Evilina was, how sexy Malcolm was in his suit, Santa Christ being evil (but only in some places), and figuring out Channel Awesome mythology.
emeriin
02:29:01 PM Mar 25th 2013
So uh, page is open and nobody's argued against it, so may I put it in?
emeriin
10:00:16 PM Apr 1st 2013
Bleh it's been two weeks. Putting it in.
ThatRandomGuy42
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03:05:30 PM Mar 17th 2013
I doubt all women loved the joystick fellatio, but whatever.
ThatRandomGuy42
03:10:45 PM Mar 17th 2013
edited by ThatRandomGuy42
Also, the post regarding the woman who wanted to, and I quote, "to kill him and make a sofa out of his skin". Is that friggin' real?! That might be one of the freakest cases of Fan Dumb I've seen. Ever.
helterskelter
10:22:33 PM Mar 17th 2013
Being that he's a comedian and the concept of giving a literal joystick fellatio is not inherently funny, I'm gonna go with it was Fan Disservice, and should be left off of Squick.
ThatRandomGuy42
10:28:25 AM Mar 18th 2013
Should I add it again? When I previously added it to Squick it was taken off.
Aradials
03:20:22 AM Jun 6th 2013
Please do
azraelfinalstar
topic
12:13:15 AM Sep 14th 2011
is anyone else a bit creeped out about his fanbase after reading his page?
trea
02:37:46 AM Sep 14th 2011
The fandom in Fan Dumb are the Vocal Minority, hopefully.
snaver
topic
10:31:34 PM Aug 22nd 2011
edited by snaver
I want a firmer explantion on Continuity Lockout. The character-oriented continuity is not something you really notice unless you watch a bunch of reviews right in a row. Anyone watching him will get a basic handle on the fact he is a Caustic Critic who strongly prefers ComedicSociopathy/SelfDeprecation for his style of comedy. Nothing in his reviews would really stop anyone towards enjoying them outside of personal perference of how his approach.
emeriin
03:54:29 AM Aug 23rd 2011
edited by emeriin
Hmm. I agree with you that you can enjoy episodes in any order and hell, not even everyone knows it's just a character with backstory and crap, but the laconic for CLO is: "The later you join the fandom, the less you understand what's going on," and the year long call backs are especially that. I'll think it over and try and reword the person's example a bit. :)
BigT
topic
01:50:43 PM Apr 13th 2011
I'm sorry, but I just can't make any sense out of what this is trying to say. It was under Reviews Are The Gospel. Please clarify and readd if appropriate.

  • Amusingly; after he trashed Stephen King for using a bunch of Cliches (that he invented and are most commonly found in his work anyways) a lot of people begun to quote him word-for-word on Stephen King's works. When the reaction wasn't something along the lines of 8.8 or He Panned It, Now He Sucks when he reviewed Stephen King's IT and basically trashed the hell out of the movie.
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