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NightmareLyra
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09:11:14 PM Oct 1st 2014
edited by 95.34.139.34
Out of curiosity, how come LGBT topics are commonly described as a reason for something being not child friendly on this trope, even if not portrayed in any sort of explicit sexual or otherwise adults only way? For example, Wandering Son seems to be listed because of the themes and it being aimed at a older demographic only, though the anime at least is very tame outside of certain swear words, yet those swears are not listed as a reason at all for being on here?

EDIT: Okay I missread the description of that one a little bit, so bad example. Though yeah, just curios why that alone seems to be a reason is all.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
01:06:57 AM Oct 2nd 2014
Because there are plenty of folks in the world who think that LGBT stuff is by default harmful to minors.
thesirennymph
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03:38:07 PM Jun 24th 2013
I found something that is considered both a Web Original and Real Life example:

We all know that Diamanda Hagan is very dark and creepy reviewer who dives into all kinds of stuff, occasionally even children's films. On YouTube, a mother was searching up a video of the Irish children's show Bosco for her son when she accidently came across Diamanda's review. Rather than doing, oh I don't know, realizing that she clicked on the wrong video. She complained in the comments that Diamanda scared her kid and started a swear storm over this. Luckily, Dimanda pointed out her stupidity by stating that the title states crystal-clear that this is a "Dimanda Hagan Special Review".

The video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raD8sviX138

Though the woman received a bunch of negative reaction and the comment is hidden
DarthEpic
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09:03:58 PM May 5th 2013
What the hell is up with the Tropertales wiki article for this?

"When I went to see a middle school play version of The Little Mermaid, a three-year-old said she needed to use the toilet. Since most three year olds only say the word "potty", she could have learned it from a mature show like The Simpsons or Family Guy, since I know of no toilet-training video (other than Shimajiro, but it's produced in Japan) which uses the word "toilet".

That's seriously one of the entries. I mean, really. What's going on here? Can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
Telcontar
moderator
03:01:52 AM May 6th 2013
TV Tropes is no longer responsible for Troper Tales and does not generally answer questions about them. That kind of entry is why they were moved offsite.

That said, Poe's Law, I guess. Probably never will know if trolling or just stupid.
Pokemonboy
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12:31:19 PM May 9th 2012
I want you to talk to Troper Darth Megaton who put it there. Look at Kingdom Heart YMMV page and see What Do You Mean It Not For Kids in it.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
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11:51:03 AM May 9th 2012
This entry needs discussion:
Pokemonboy
12:23:26 PM May 9th 2012
Troper Darth Megatron is the one who put this here and he also put What Do You Mean It Not For Kids on the Kingdom Heart YMMV page. Oh wait all Kingdom Heart games are rated A all ages in Japan. So does at mean it is for kids?
SeptimusHeap
moderator
12:26:25 PM May 9th 2012
If it's A rated I would think so.

Moreover, please don't Edit War on What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?.
MagBas
12:54:44 PM May 9th 2012
Well, following the link, Nomura's words are "First of all, this series is not intended to be child-focused, and so the complexity of the story is purposefully made prominent. That being said, with a series being around so long, there are a few items I have in mind so that a wider audience range can enjoy the experience. For the time being Dream Drop Distance, there is a new function called Mementos, and in the section called Chronicles, the player can read a summary on each of the titles from the Kingdom Hearts series. Whether you are just starting out or you have played all the games before and need a refresher, it has all of the key information summarized."
SeptimusHeap
moderator
01:08:28 PM May 9th 2012
^From that I take that this thing isn't What Do You Mean Its Nor For Kids.
MakiP
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10:28:15 PM Feb 1st 2012
Oh heck, I'm gonna go for it: I think Pan's Labyrinth should be in What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?. I know it got an R rating in the States, but Guillermo del Toro made it to be a... well not kid-friendly exactly, but it was meant to be watched by children. The Protagonist is a child and the film deals with child fears and desires. It's scary, because it's supposed to be an old school Scare 'Em Straight fairy tale (you know like the Sleeping Beauty version that includes the Beauty getting raped by the prince and giving birth while slept, followed by the murder of the Prince's wife).

Now obviously the censors in the US didn't agree, but the intention was there. Also in Latin America it had a "Over 15" rating, for Del Toro's insistence
Nakayama90
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11:15:06 PM Oct 3rd 2011
Why is this now a YMMV?
Sol9000
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02:47:52 PM Sep 19th 2011
edited by Sol9000
Me: O_O I can understand Portal2 being confused for being for kids: Semi-Non-Violent, easy to love premesis, etc. But if there was a kid version, it wouldn't have "The Fall" Playable without parental controls. It looks scary. BUT CALLOFDUTY, HALO, AND GRANDTHEFTAUTO ARE MISTAKEN FOR KID GAMES AS WELL!?!
Rutha
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02:13:44 PM Aug 27th 2011
Hmm, I'm surprised that South Park isn't discussed here. What I mean, is that I started blabbing about missing tonight's episode, and my thousand-year-old granny asked what it was. I said that an animation about four boys in a messed up town, which mainly, it is. She immediately started blabbering that my little three-year-old cousin should see it because he's bored. Also, there are more people who have looked at South Park poster or sumthin', and who don't actually know what South Park is, and say that it is a kiddie show.

GazBevMoo
06:53:48 PM Sep 29th 2011
One of the weird things about me is that I can't picture it being mistaking as something for kids, because when I was four and we got cable my parents would watch it when I was in bed or something and I don't recall either of them telling me it was for adults, yet I always hid in be and stayed far away if they were watching it because I just knew, even though any bits of it I might have seen were harmless.
Sol9000
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08:32:36 AM Aug 22nd 2011
Put a Movie Poster for the film 9 and say below "Behold, Parents! This cartoon will scar your kids for life if they see it under age 12!"
MakiP
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07:40:46 PM Aug 20th 2011
I think Pan's Labyrinth should be removed as page image; this because, believe it or not, it's not an example of this trope. This is actually a case of [[Ptitle3aa6c4mw What Do You Mean, It's For Kids?]]. No, I'm serious, it's creator Guillermo del Toro was actually surprised and disappointed the film got such a harsh rating, and somehow manage to lower the rating to B15 in his native Mexico. According to Del Toro if films like Matrix and Terminator can be watched by the whole family so can Laberinto.
411314
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08:30:19 AM Aug 19th 2011
A lot of these examples list "murder" and "death" as reasons something isn't for kids. Does that really make sense? It seems to me that even on this wiki, most people think the Disney Animated Canon is for kids, even though most of those films have attempted murder (or in one case, successful murder) commited by a villain who later dies.
Webby
09:16:22 PM Nov 23rd 2011
Don't you know anything? Children can't understand death! Death is for adults only! You just want to poison my little Timmy's mind!
411314
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07:15:24 AM Aug 19th 2011
Why is the Muppet Show listed as an example? I've seen several episodes and it looks plenty kid-friendly to me.
411314
07:34:15 AM Aug 19th 2011
Oh, wait, is it because of this? If so, I take back what I said, since I said before finding that.
GazBevMoo
06:04:06 PM Sep 29th 2011
Also the pilot was called Sex And Violence, 'nuff said.:D
Zagrebo
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07:03:49 AM Aug 14th 2011
edited by Zagrebo
A lot of the stuff here confuses "family-orientated" with "adult". For example, Star Trek is a family show and so contains a lot of adult-orientated stuff but didn't go too far or become too explicit because it had to remain suitable for its child audience as well. This kind of thing is pretty common in TV, especially in the UK where we're not as prudish as the US (British soap operas go out before the watershed and are, officially, family viewing but contain an awful lot of adult themes, as do many dramas aimed at "older" children for that matter).

Then there's stuff that people have listed here because it contains violence or unsettling ideas and they therefore try to claim them as "adult-oriented", I'm thinking in particular of comic stuff like Batman or Superman. The running theme seems to be "this character died in a nasty way in a Batman comic so it must be for adults, right?" A quick look at a lot of childrens' fiction, especially of centuries gone by, might put a different spin on that.

What I assumed this trope was about, indeed should be about is self-consciously adult shows/books/comics/cartoons with material completely unsuitable for children which are erroneously thought to be "for children" by some, usually because they bear superficial similarities to bona fide childrens' media. There are some good examples, but they're in danger of being swamped by "hey, you know that teatime show I like, well the stuff in that is really gross when you think about it!".
Grobi
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06:48:46 AM Jun 23rd 2011
Why is Neon Genesis Evangelion still on this page and on What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?? Anno himself stated it was meant for "young boys", so I think we should remove it (btw., saying "Anno wasn't stable" is not an excuse to put it on BOTH pages).
411314
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06:36:21 PM Mar 24th 2011
Why is children deciding to watch something not intended for them always listed as an example of this trope? Just because a child wants to watch something doesn't mean he or she thinks it's meant for him or her. From this troper's experience, many kids want to watch adult stuff BECAUSE it's adult (in 4th grade, I knew 11-year-olds who bragged about how many R-rated movies they'd seen). Likely a case of Forbidden Fruit. I tried to put a note pointing this out under the "Adult Swim" entry, but someone else erased it.
411314
06:40:09 PM Mar 24th 2011
Then again, I did use that personal example in my note. Maybe if I write it without that or using the Forbidden Fruit trope name, it'll be allowed to stay? I'll try that.
MagBas
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10:41:27 AM Jan 9th 2011
  • Pinocchio: Among other plot points cut or changed to streamline the story, the cricket in the original tale is smashed by Pinocchio with a hammer and Lampwick as a donkey dies after being beaten by his master. Not to mention that Pinocchio himself is a total Jerk Ass.

  • The Little Mermaid: In the original tale and anime adaptation, the prince ends up marrying another woman causing the mermaid to go into a depression. She then commits suicide by jumping off the ship and her body dissolves into seafoam. (In the original fairytale, the ending is softened somewhat by the fact that her soul survives as an air spirit, with the promise that she'll eventually get into Heaven if human children are obedient and respectful to their parents — no, really.)
    • The whole story is a lot grimmer than Disney made it out to be, not just the ending. The mermaid didn't just lose her voice, she lost her tongue, she was in extreme pain as long as she had legs and her sisters urge her to kill the prince near the end.

Second round of the clean-up!Based in The Other Wiki, the reputation of "for kids" of the fairy tales started in the century 19. Also, the original The Adventures of Pinocchio is marked as children's literature and the controversial aesop put by the author in The Little Mermaid makes no sense if the intended target audience is not kids.
MagBas
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02:18:26 PM Jan 1st 2011
  • EarthBound. Cartoony, goofy visuals with giant heads, battles with silly enemies like coffee cups and angry crows, a final dungeon in a barren world located eons in the past, ending in a giant mechanical vagina with a battle against evil incarnate. There's a reason it gave kids nightmares.
More Kirby games also end with one final horrifiyng villain. Kirby games are to kids.

  • Kingdom Hearts itself counts for this trope. Honestly, it has Disney characters so it should be E rated right? (though from Kingdom Hearts II on, all games are E 10+) Not when you have your best friend trapped inside the dark world, any normal human being getting their hearts ripped out of their bodies, and their remaining shell becoming an entirely different entity, and all this is set to anime cute design.

First, all the games are rated the equivalent to the free E rating in Japan. Second, this description sounds less horrifiyng than some movies of the Disney Animated Canon.

I only put the more obvious. Someone can help with the cleanup, please?

Kevonni4
02:48:44 AM Nov 25th 2011
Sorry, but Itoi said "I wanted to approach things from an older man's perspective" in one interview. It's quite obvious from that statement that even if Itoi did want to show complex things in a way that could be understood by children, that the Mother/Earthbound games were meant to be fully understood only by adults or teenagers. Yes, Itoi did also mention that he wanted a kid to come up and say that the game caused him or her to understand life but it's extremely shaky especially with him liberally mentioning that he was inspired by things that were never intended for kids such as "Twin Peaks" and "Lost". PSI from the third game was meant to be like menstruation according to the same interview and it is quite clearly implied in the game itself. Just look at some of the nightmare fuel entries, such as the one about Threed and the zombie prostitute or better yet play the games.
93.162.119.14
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01:01:08 AM Nov 3rd 2010
Concerning the last line: What do you mean you mileage may not vary?

Of course it does, in this as well as in everything else. Seriously there are many shows on that list that I would have no problem at all showing to kids.
MagBas
10:35:11 AM Dec 25th 2010
The that said phrase want say-this trope is to works AIMED to adults not to kids mistaken as works AIMED to children-not to the that you guess that is apropriated to children- exists one phrase in the description saying "Neither do things that ARE intended for kids despite containing questionable elements."
OldManHoOh
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04:14:47 PM Oct 18th 2010
edited by OldManHoOh
Doctor Who? I mean, seriously, Doctor friggin Who? It scares children and everything, but it's teatime viewing and marketed as such.
Zagrebo
07:14:36 AM Aug 14th 2011
Star Trek needs to go for the same reason. Like Who it sometimes deals with adult themes because it has an adult audience but it was still a family show that couldn't go too far because it had to remain suitable for pre-watershed viewing. This was as much a matter of necessity as anything else: it had a large audience of kids (as sci-fi shows often do) and couldn't do anything to alienate them or (more importantly) their parents.

Some of the Trek films might be suitable for inclusion, though. I've always felt Wrath of Khan was a straight-down-the-line adult film based on a more family-friendly franchise and some of the later Trek films depict things the TV show was coy about (such as characters in bed together). This is arguably explained by films being less worried about offending parents and not being constrained by network censorship. I'm still surprised that the 1985 Transformers film featured a character using the word "shit".
92.17.205.253
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02:04:11 PM Oct 11th 2010
Propose a new trope - ‘What do you mean it IS for kids?’ This editor proposes this due to the inclusion ‘The Animals of Farthing Wood’ in this trope. (In all likelihood, there are many more) It’d be intended for programmes where the he casual eye may think Subverted Kids Show for flagrant aversion and or ignorance of tropes (e.g. Never Say "Die") that are pillars of children’s viewing, but no! It’s shown by a children’s broadcaster and in a prime time slot for children’s viewing. (i.e. after school)
nuclearneo577
05:19:33 PM Oct 11th 2010
There is that already.
ading
04:54:50 AM Mar 6th 2011
We already have a What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? trope.
Jumpingzombie
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04:33:36 PM May 27th 2010
edited by Jumpingzombie
Alright, did some example cleaning up. People keep getting this and What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? mixed up  *. Here a basic breakdown and examples for each, so you know where to add stuff.

Redwall is a kids series of books and a television series about forest animals. They live in an abbey, which constantly is the target for bad guys to try an take over. Some (arguably mild) violence ensues as well as nightmare fuel from the villains. This is a series intended for a younger audience of children, but it contains darker elements and may have built up a Periphery Demographic of older people. Said older people are shocked to find out that it's a kid's series (and may deny it afterwards). Because anything that appeals to an older audience can't be for kids. Therefore it is an example of What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?.

Fritz the Cat is a comic strip, and more famously, a movie, that was the first animated film to receive an "X" rating  *. It contains quite a bit of sexual themes, a rape, drugs usage, and family unfriendly violence. Not to mention it has plenty of social commentary focusing on the society of the time when it was released. It's target demographic is older viewers and not even remotely meant for children. But, there are parents who probably don't realize this and think "It's an animated movie with animals, it MUST be for kids." There it is an example of What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.

So basically What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: media intended for a younger demographics of kids, but may just be all around more mature. It may then build up a sizable Periphery Demographic who can't believe something meant for kids isn't the freaking Teletubbies. This also goes for series intended for "older kids" or young adult section of books.

What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?: parents or another person mistakes a work for something kids friendly when it is most definitely not.

Also note that some people may be aware of the intended demographic, but still think their kids can handle it. That has nothing to really do with the trope, it's worth noting though.
DialgaX
09:07:55 AM Aug 9th 2010
Could fan fiction count or no?

I mean, it is possible for someone to mistake a fan fiction based on the Sugar Bowl Pokémon anime for being kid-friendly like the anime but instead it is laced with intense violence and other objectionable content.
Jumpingzombie
11:31:57 AM Oct 10th 2010
edited by Jumpingzombie
That's a bit of a strange case. I guess one would automatically assume that since Pokemon=kid's stuff then fanfiction=kid's stuff automatically. I guess it could be, but that's more of a naivety about the internet/fic writers. I wouldn't add any examples of fanfiction though.
Spinosegnosaurus77
01:45:40 PM Aug 3rd 2011
Thanks, Jumpingzombie. I was wondering whether to keep the Hilary Duff, Miranda Cosgrove and Taylor Swift examples at What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? or move them here. I'm sticking with the former.
SenorEdgeworth
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09:39:00 AM Apr 8th 2010
'You know, for kids!' This quote from The Nostalgia Critic is mis-credited. It is infact a quote itself from the film The Hudsucker Proxy, and the Critic just uses it a lot. Is a change necessary?
122.53.250.75
06:00:57 AM Apr 19th 2010
BNJC1
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05:59:27 PM Apr 7th 2010
edited by 96.28.55.30
Why are the people here going batshit insane over slightly innapropriate things for kids. Parents really shouldn't be freaking out just because someone said damn, or because there's some blood here and there, or someone said a minor innuendo.
AnoSa
10:03:39 PM Apr 9th 2010
Oh dear... I was reading Usagi Yojimbo—the series mentioned in the first page quote—when I was in Elementary School. I was, it should be added, obtaining it from a comic book store where the staff knew me, knew my age, and, with one exception, knew my parents. The exception happened to be one of my parents. They knew exactly what I was reading.

On the other hand? Every so often, you get to see the exact opposite, such as having to try to explain to a little old lady why Urotsukidouji is perhaps not something she ought to give her preschool grandson. Without, well, getting...detailed. No, of course she's not read the back, noticed the parental warning & 18-and-up stickers, or anything else. It's animated! It's got to be kiddie-safe! (Kiddie-safe: contains nothing that might be wrong for a preschooler to be seeing.)
Zersk
06:51:07 PM Jul 2nd 2010
Still, some of the examples should be erased.
GazBevMoo
01:10:35 PM Sep 29th 2011
The thing about the old lady bothers me, the cover looks way too violent and dark for a preschooler.
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