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Simpsonite
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07:20:14 AM Mar 9th 2010
This trope definatly needs a namechange, I mean the current name is an insult to those who DO like Scrappy Doo!
Be
07:42:41 AM Mar 16th 2010
This trope is possibly the most ubiquitous of the lot, though. And changing it because some people do like Scrappy-Doo will just piss off the untold billions upon trillions upon hyperbolicwordthatendswithillions of people who really do hate the little git and everything about him. Like me. If you couldn't tell.
Seikai
10:06:14 AM Mar 16th 2010
I agree with the above poster. I have to admit, this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone actually liking Scrappy. Scrappy fans are definitely not the majority.
jjlattefiend
03:29:16 AM Mar 24th 2010
edited by jjlattefiend
This trope is catagorised as being subjective, so remember that you are free to disagree.

It's certainly wrong to assume that, just because a character has a huge hatedom, EVERYONE dislikes them, or even necessarily the significant majority of the fanbase. Scrappy Doo, it must be said, has garnered a big enough backlash for even the franchise to turn against him (Scrappy Doo seldom shows up in any contemporary Scooby Doo productions, but when he does, it's to be the object of ridicule - see the live action "Scooby Doo" film for the most extreme example), so he seems an appropriate enough trope namer. Which is not to suggest that the character doesn't have his fans, or people who feel ambivalent about him (this troper personally falls into the latter camp). In my view, Scrappy just happens to be a fashionable character to bash right now, irrespective of whether or not one even considers themselves to be a fan of Scooby Doo - people like to forget that, when he was first introduced, the show's waning ratings suddenly picked up. In the years that followed, HB definitely went overkill with the character, to the point where they even dropped the mystery solving element of Scooby Doo in favour of a cartoon consisting of nothing but chase scenes with Scooby and Scrappy (and actual ghosts, to boot), which I suspect accounts for a lot of the resentment. Perhaps it's unfair that Scrappy has been the object of so much hatred while the Great Gazoo, deemed as being the Flinstone's equivilent character, is all but forgotten (and, unlike Scrappy, Gazoo wasn't even all that popular to begin with - the Flinstones was cancelled soon after his arrival). Mark Evanier, who played a role in developing Scrappy has stated his belief that Scrappy haters are "few in number but loud in voice". But, regardless of whether or not Scrappy haters truly respresent the majority of the fanbase, and whether a lot of these haters actually despise him as much as they claim or are just following the fashion, Scrappy hatred has become a big enough phenomenon for even Scooby Doo itself to feel the need to take pot shots at him.

Even though I'm not a fan of Scrappy Doo, I have seen one or two other characters listed under this trope who I personally am rather fond of, and furthermore am covinced that, just because one troper and a few of their online friends might have had a grudge against them, they do not represent how the majority of the fanbase feels. Which goes back to what I said about this being subjective.
forrestchump
10:00:05 AM Mar 31st 2010
edited by forrestchump
Why must you always give the hand to the MINORITY?
Iqbal
06:19:32 PM Oct 3rd 2010
Ya know it would be better to just call it The Hated instead of The Scrappy since he did have his fans
Inferno232
09:49:43 AM Oct 12th 2010
I never hated Scrappy as a kid, but I understand the concept. To all the posts above, I think the first guy was just riffing on the recent surge to make the wiki as politically correct and unbiased as can be. Changing this would be a major pain in the neck, as "The Scrappy" has already become a universally known term to tropers.
WeirdRaptor
01:07:26 AM Nov 5th 2010
edited by WeirdRaptor
Yes, this trope needs a name change...mostly because I can think of someone from the Scooby-Doo universe who is even worse: Scooby-Dumb. Scrappy was a downright stroke of genius compared to him. Unfamiliar with Scooby-Dumb? Let me fill you in. He's a light blue version of the original Scooby-Doo, but with a red Beverly Hill Billies-style hat and he's literally too stupid to live...or even hide. Scooby has to guide him to obvious hiding spots a moron would see. On top of that, he contributed even less than Scrappy ever did (let that sink in for a whole).
BNJC1
05:56:21 AM Feb 13th 2011
Nah, I don't think we should change it. I've actually heard the term used in other, more mainstream places. It'd be like renaming "Jumped the Shark."
ading
02:31:44 PM Mar 18th 2011
edited by ading
No, I don't think this should be name-changed. Scrappy Doo is quite possibly the Most Triumphant Example so I think he makes a pefectly good Trope Namer.
Iqbal
12:50:42 PM Mar 29th 2011
A name change is better we could try The Hate Icon that would be way better and besides Scrappy did have his fans
ading
07:38:55 AM Apr 20th 2011
edited by ading
I agree with forrestchump. I think I've seen 1 person say Scrappy Doo isn't the worst character ever made.

EDIT: Not to say that there aren't more. but they are, as forrestchump said, the minority. The definition of this trope is a character with a hatedom. and Scrappy Doo is definitely one of, if not the Most Triumphant Examples. So, I don't see why this needs a rename, especially if it's used in more mainstream places.
Malchus
04:35:15 AM Nov 20th 2011
edited by Malchus
Eh, I like Scrappy. I saw him as a kid when reruns of that show were aired in my country in the 90s, and I liked him. I've watched those episodes again, and I just don't see how he's supposed to be "the worst character ever." At worst, to me, he can be a slightly bratty kid, but hey, he's a kid.

HOWEVER, as said above, the name's been genericized on this wiki that people understand what it is implicitly. Changing it just for a relatively minor annoyance—and I do find the whole assumption that everyone is supposed to hate him and something's wrong with you if you don't find him annoying—just seems too much like trying to enforce a change based on a minor pet peeve, which can also be annoying.
173.57.13.6
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12:58:11 PM Apr 11th 2010
I looked at the video game pages and some of the characters would fit in another category such as tier induced scrappy. In fact a lot of these scrappys should belong on a different scrappy page. Isn't that why we have subcategories?
KSonik
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03:46:46 PM Jul 31st 2010
edited by KSonik
why is there an subjective banner?
MagBas
06:34:55 PM Oct 3rd 2010
Hmm... Because this trope have no relation with the character itself but yes relation with the reaction of the fans?
Inferno232
09:54:46 AM Oct 12th 2010
What about in-universe Scrappy characters, or those considered to be one by Word Of God? If this is suddenly a subjective trope, then there needs to be a split off for non-subjective examples.
muninn
01:25:32 PM Nov 29th 2010
The Scrappy is an audience-reaction trope, so there can be no such thing as "Word Of God" regarding it.
SomeGuy
09:59:52 AM Nov 30th 2010
Well, there can be Word Of God in the sense of "I am God and I really hate this character I created that kept showing up for no good reason". But that's not really canonical. That's just his opinion.
ading
04:26:08 AM Aug 7th 2011
edited by ading
^^^ In-universe examples of subjective tropes go on the main page with a note that it's in-universe.
MangaManiac
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11:38:56 AM Nov 30th 2010
I noticed Fanon Discontinuity subpages have a Darth Wiki look to them, all black and stuff. Is there a way to do that for The Scrappy subpages? Seems fitting.
DanMat6288
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07:57:40 PM Dec 3rd 2010
edited by DanMat6288
What would it mean for this trope if Scrappy himself would, in one piece of media, get successfully rescued from his own heap? And his rescue did not get retconned out of future works for the sake of status quo?
Keshia
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11:25:39 PM Feb 28th 2011
If the creators designed a character intentionally so that everyone would loath them... does that count as The Scrappy? Or is that another trope?
ading
02:33:37 PM Mar 18th 2011
That would be a case of They Plotted A Perfectly Good Waste, but yes, it still counts.
ading
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11:09:06 AM Mar 23rd 2011
Is a Complete Monster realy likely to be The Scrappy?
lrrose
11:11:30 AM Mar 23rd 2011
Complete Monsters are meant to be hated (or at least they were, until trope decay forced Complete Monster into YMMV territory, but that's a debate for another time). The Scrappy is not meant to be hated. So I would like to say no, but since both are subjective tropes, the real answer is yes.
ading
12:27:39 PM Mar 23rd 2011
The Scrappy can be meant to be hated, though they usually aren't. And while a Complete Monster is probably going to be hated in the sense of "the audience can't wait for him to get defeated" (Unless they're a Draco In Leather Pants), I'm not sure they're prone to being hated in the "the audience wishes this character were never made to begin with" sense.
KSonik
09:12:50 AM Apr 24th 2011
edited by KSonik
It does not really matter why they get hated. Regardless of whether or not the character is hated for legitimate or illegitmate reasons, regardless of whether or not it was intended or not, if they are widely hated, then they belong to this trope.
ading
03:59:03 PM May 3rd 2011
This trope is not just a character who is hated, it is a character who has a hatedom. A "hatedom" is a fandom (for lack of a better term) dedicated to hating something. Are Complete Monsters really likely to be that? That is the question. (Actually I'm not reallly sure about a few of the entries, but this is just the one I asked about.)
shadowii
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05:03:26 PM May 25th 2011
sigh, god it SUCKS being in the minority of guys who like Scrappy
hayleychaotix
02:15:32 PM Jul 19th 2011
edited by hayleychaotix
It must suck since you probably didn't enjoy the jokes about him in the first live action Scooby Doo. Even coming from someone who doesn't hate the guy (I'm neutral) they were awesome :) "Gee Scrappy no reason to freak out like a jerk who tried to kill all humanity."
Steven1991
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12:23:19 PM Jun 15th 2011
Maybe not the right place to say here, but how do you call a new introduced character that particually is only seen with certain members of the main cast, while with the others he hasn't any contact at all.

Example: Bob, Job, Rob, Mob are characters during seasons 1-4, season 5 introduces Slob. He only has contact with Bob and Job while he doesn't know that Rob and Mob even exist.

Does this trope already exist or not?
hayleychaotix
02:11:37 PM Jul 19th 2011
Go to the Lost and Found. It should be on the left side of the screen, you put descriptions in there to see if there's a trope for it.
azraelfinalstar
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10:08:00 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Am i the only one who noticed that half of the examples here are either main characters or the most popular characters in the show written by people who dislike them? I can think of a few examples: Sora, Ryoko Hakubi(her entry specifically reeks of Ron The Death Eater), almost every character in the Pokemon franchise, Spongebob and Patrick and various others. Now I know that most of these characters do have a hatedom, but none of them are that large. Shouldn't this be regulated?
ManwiththePlan
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10:38:48 AM Nov 30th 2011
Since trope names apparently can't be references to characters or series, I propose this trope get renamed "Hatedom Magnet." How about that?

(Hope to God nobody takes this suggestion seriously...)
MrDeath
11:29:26 AM Nov 30th 2011
Passive aggressive griping isn't going to help, you know.
AltoonaMan
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03:03:46 PM Dec 25th 2011
Since people in general only hated Scrappy after shows changed due to Scrappy's success to make them all about Scrappy, have them fight real monsters, and keep making Scrappy the hero, wouldn't he be more of an example of The Wesley despite being the Trope Namer since people only hated him being pushed on them and not so much the original concept of the character himself? I think the true Scrappy of the series would actually be Scooby-Dumb, who was nothing but The Load or even The Millstone, added nothing for fan appeal, and did little more than attract general fan annoyance, which is why he was dropped so quickly. But then again, The Scooby-Dumb isn't as easily recognizeable as The Scrappy, I guess, but Scooby-Dumb seems to fit the description more than Scrappy himself, who IMO is more of a Wesley.
Slicer37
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07:29:28 AM Jan 15th 2012
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