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Buscemi
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02:59:56 PM Jul 11th 2014
Would Robin Thicke's recent album qualify as his Creator Killer? It's done horribly in sales and people hate the guy now.
StormKensho
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11:07:18 PM Feb 12th 2013
I was adding on a bit of further text on Squaresoft's slide in quality after Spirits Within(namely how they've become an RPG developer, though still a large one, instead of the RPG developer like they were at the turn of the millennium) and I was curious:

Would Final Fantasy 13 count as a Creator Killer? Despite selling well, it still received a lot of critical flak for its linearity and subpar storywriting, and caused a massive Broken Base due to many longtime FF fans considering the game Square's shark-jump.

And when you count the massive fan outcry at the ending fiasco of XIII-2, in which Square essentially went and sold the "real" ending to the game to the player via DLC, their reputation's taken quite a few hits as a result of their insistence on trying to make another "Compilation" out of XIII...
Glowsquid
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11:26:16 AM Jan 26th 2013
edited by Glowsquid
deleted the following entries:

  • Though out-of-control corporate and financial troubles were largely responsible for Midway's death knell, the blame can also be pointed toward the failures of Unreal Tournament III and Wheelman.

  • Speaking of THQ, the poor sales of Darksiders II led to the collapse of developer Vigil Games and the bankruptcy of that company in December 2012, a month after issuing a statement that Darksiders II had to sell 4 million copies in order for it to be profitable. It only sold 1.4 million copies by November 2012, three months after the game was released. Overspending basically killed both companies.

1: Midway released a shiton of bombs (Blacksite Area 51, Blitz II, LA Rush, NBA Ballers Chosen One... etc) around the same time, which failed just as hard (or even harder) and none of which are considered by popular widsom (heh) to be what "killed them". Besides, Wheelman was published by Ubisoft and released around the time Midway was liquiding its assets.

2: Vigil was dismantled because nobody bid for it at THQ's bankruptcy auction, not because Darksiders 2's sales particularly hurt it. Not meeting THQ's optimistic sales expectation doesn't make it a studio killer.
biznizz
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09:22:22 AM Jan 12th 2013
Spaceballs killed Mel Brooks' career? Really? Should we really use this image? I mean, Brooks isn't even listed on this page.
Mario1995
11:30:45 AM Jan 26th 2013
Spaceballs, while indeed a Cult Classic and decent box office success, didn't really meet up the standards of his previous films. After that film, Life Stinks, Robin Hood: Men In Tights, and Dracula: Dead and Loving It were mostly critical failures (with LS and D:DALI flopping at the box office), thus damaging Brooks' reputation and killing his career as a director and leading man, though he has since found more success in theatre.
StormKensho
11:01:03 PM Feb 12th 2013
Essentially, Men In Tights was the ONLY decent Mel Brooks movie made after Spaceballs, which itself is highly YMMV in terms of quality.
CaptainCrawdad
09:54:04 AM Dec 24th 2013
edited by 66.193.194.130
The image isn't an example of the trope. The trope is about "A work that forever sullies the creator's reputation and/or career." Spaceballs isn't an example, as it did not in itself harm Brooks' reputation or career. The image merely points out a starting point for a decline in Brooks' artistic reception.

Spaceballs would only be an example of the trope if the movies that followed were all noticeably smaller films, showing that Brooks was not able to get the funding to make A-list films after Spaceballs. That's not true in this case. Brooks' following movies still enjoyed major releases, even though they were not as successful as his previous films. Spaceballs didn't kill his career, his later movies were simply not very good.
Severen
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09:50:43 PM Apr 16th 2012
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  • As of right now, Frank Miller's Holy Terror seems to have made Miller a persona non grata among most comic writers, and he even had to create his own studio to release it. After being delayed for over four years it was critically panned by everyone up to and including Grant Morrison, and is basically an excuse for Miller to rail against Islam (and much of what he says is inaccurate). And worse, it was originally supposed to star Batman before the DC execs vetoed it. Miller was already something of a pariah after All-Star Batman & Robin, but Holy Terror seems to have assured that he won't be getting any major deals anytime soon.

One, it's full of Natter and accusations which are very much YMMV, plus the personal opinions of the poster. It doesn't belong here. Nixed.
romxxii
09:37:37 AM Jul 30th 2012
edited by romxxii
looks like it's back up, and even worse:

Much like his forray into film as detailed below, Frank Miller seems to have been made persona non grata among most comic writers and fans with Holy Terror, finally bringing down a career that even The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All-Star Batman & Robin combined couldn't destroy (though they did contribute to it). After being delayed for over four years, it was critically panned by everyone (up to and including Grant Morrison and even Alan Moore, curmudgeon that he is), and is basically an excuse for Miller to engage in extreme, Eagleland-Type-2 jingoism, paint all Muslims as terrorist sympathizers ready to kill, and compare the Occupy movement to a bunch of nerds barely better than pond scum. Worse, it was originally supposed to star Batman before the DC execs vetoed it (to be part of the "Miller Batman-Verse"), but as Miller was already something of a pariah after All-Star Batman & Robin, the idea was taken to Legendary (normally a film production company) to be retooled after "Miller decided it wasn't a Batman story". The retool ended up still reading like a Miller Batman story. Holy Terror seems to have assured that he won't be getting any major deals anytime soon.

Deleting as well.
Ropos
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04:44:48 PM Mar 1st 2012
The following seems like a non-example to me:

"Jennifer's Body did lasting damage to the budding career of its writer, Diablo Cody. Cody shocked everyone when she won an Academy Award for screenplay for Juno, and then went on to have another success with the Showtime series United States Of Tara, but Jennifer's Body gave her a reputation of being a one-trick pony who was overly reliant on "hip and quirky" dialogue. However, Cody's first post-Body film, Young Adult, has been a hit with critics, so it may be too soon to tell. It also marked the beginning of the end for Megan Fox's career, but that's for a different page. "

Even the page admits she's had another success, and additionally she's working on her directorial debut right now. Doesn't sound like a dead career to me. I'm taking it out.
Camacan
moderator
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02:56:12 AM May 18th 2011
This seems to be a non-example, in that it apparently isn't a very poorly received work nuking the career of the work's creator.
  • The Gizmondo handheld bankrupted Tiger Telematics.
    • May not qualify. More accurately, what bankrupted Tiger Telematics was the fact that one of their executives was the head of an organized crime family.
Rilkar
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08:23:21 PM Apr 4th 2011
  • "Due to lack of popularity and perhaps a strong fandom, Yamakan was forced to retire after Fractale did poorly in DVD sales"

Is this true? Couldn't he just blame the earthquake or something?
Te1emachus
03:14:13 AM Jun 1st 2011
edited by Te1emachus
I'm more perplexed by this justification:

"The fact that was competing against Puella Magi Madoka Magica and the 2011 earthquake and tsunami hit Japan near the end of its airing (subsequently reducing the market afterwards) didn't help matters, either."

In the sense of ratings (which it probably isn't referring to anyway), the information I checked says they aired in different timeslots. Blu-ray sales are even more unequivocal since Madoka's success doesn't appear to have significantly hindered anything else that aired or is being released contemporaneously, especially Infinite Stratos. Alongside the second volume of Madoka, which has broken the record sales of the first, four other shows have sold over 10,000 copies in their first week, with Tiger & Bunny apparently not even having enough copies to meet demand.

Additionally, the earthquake should have affected all anime sales pretty much equally, so it wouldn't have much impact on its ranking among them, but it's also faring rather miserably in that respect from what I can tell. In all likelihood, most of the potential audience was offended by the overinflated egos and very, very big mouth behind what turned out to be not so different from anything they were supposedly trying to rise above. Madoka may have gleefully rubbed salt into an open wound, but I seriously doubt she inflicted it.
174.52.23.216
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12:56:32 AM Sep 24th 2010
edited by 144.35.254.12
EDIT: delete, wrong topic
Yiffiel
12:17:54 PM Nov 24th 2011
this entry and the one above mine need deletion plz.
Glowsquid
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03:54:24 AM May 12th 2010
Regarding the whole "Square merged with Enix because of the failure of the Spirits Within", here's one of the reply I got on the YKTTW:

"Correction on Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. It indeed kill Square Pictures, but did not force it into merging with Enix. On the contrary, Enix and Square were discussing merging earlier, and the failure of The Spirits Within actually delayed the merge because Enix didn't want to merge with a company that was currently losing money."

173.66.210.46
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07:00:17 AM Apr 12th 2010
Is it just me or is the name of this trope ... disturbing?

Yes, I know it's supposed to be about works which are apparently the final nail in the coffin of a creator's career (while Rock-A-Doodle was Don Bluth's Jump the Shark moment, Titan A.E. was the one that really wrecked his career), and be the equivalent of Franchise Killer and Genre-Killer, still the name's kind of disturbing.

Creators are actual people, as opposed to franchises and genres, which are more of abstract concepts. Maybe this trope should be renamed.
Glowsquid
03:51:13 AM Apr 14th 2010
edited by Glowsquid
I thought of Career Killer at first, but that would also include actors, and I think we already have a trope about actors being wrecked/rejuvenated by a role. If there isn't one, then perhap actors could be included into this.

Edit:Oh wait, Career Killer is already used? Damn.
174.52.23.216
12:47:11 AM Sep 24th 2010
We could try using "Creator Downfall". But overall, I actually don't mind the name (particularly since we already have a trope for when creators actually die off).
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