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openNo Real Life Examples please
If you think a trope shouldn't contain a real life examples folder, what forum do you take it to for discussion?
openSomeone changed a Trope Epitaph
On the rename thread for Kid Amid the Chaos (renamed from Crying Little Kid), the epitaph "Lost forever amid the chaos" was decided. However, someone changed it to "Rescued from the chaos", despite someone on the thread pointing out that that phrase doesn't really work when it's meant to be about death.
openSubpages for episodes
What If…? (2021) has two episodes so far, each one with a page in the recap namespace. Those episodes have their own YMMV and Trivia subpages. Is it correct, or should those items be moved to the YMMV and Trivia sections of the series itself?
openJames Bond question Film
A question for James Bond fans:
Is the title of Spectre supposed to be all-cap?
Does it stand as an acronym for something? (I believe it does, but I can't remember for sure.)
Also, there exists VideoGame.Spectre 1991; should the movie be disambiguated by year too?
Edited by StFanopenCreator Pages
I'm not sure where to ask about creator pages. I know creators aren't allowed to be troped, and it's their works that need to be troped, but I want to ask about the following issues on the Creator.Monty Oum page:
His "Monty Oum and his works provide examples of:" list has ten tropes that are supposed to reflect his work. However, five of them are actually trivia tropes about him rather than tropes about his work. He does not have a separate Trivia page, they're just mixed into the trope list on his main page. (The trivia items in question are Awesome, Dear Boy, Doing It for the Art, Promoted Fanboy, What Could Have Been and Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things.)
On the subject of sub-pages, he does have Awesome.Monty Oum, Heartwarming.Monty Oum and Funny.Monty Oum pages, all of which are about him, his family and his colleagues, rather than his works. Can they be sent to the cut list? (I'm assuming it's okay for Creator pages to have a Laconic.)
openCan I add my own webcomic?
I made a webcomic called fankid adventures, so, can I add it?
openNarm & Bathos Film
I've got a problem figuring out which one to use. I know what those tropes are and what they do, so it's not the problem with definition - is to figure out which one "fits". But first, a bit of explaination.
Spoor, a movie I've just finished, has a Hysterical Woman as the main character and she has few very, very grating rants throughout the film. It's not only annoying in-universe, but it's just hard to watch her increasingly inane ranting, too. The character, due to such behaviour being her norm, is considered to be the "typical crazy grandma" in-universe... only that in the finale it is revealed it was for the most part (she's still insane) a play and deliberate mislead, both in- and out-of-universe: in reality, her rants were done as a cover-up for the fact she's a murderous lunatic and misdirect the people around her. Lucid enough to perform elaborate murders, yet still very insane Eco-Terrorist, living in her own imaginary world.
So with that covered, I'm thinking if the scenes with her ranting fall under Narm or Bathos. Prior to the reveal, it's just extremely narmalicious (and even after it's still eye-rolling), but with the reveal, the ranting was in fact deliberate and intentional, so the initial reaction it generates from audience can't fall under the definition of narm... but does it qualify under Bathos, given it's not exactly comedic?
I guess I'm explaining it poorly, but it's one of those situations that's not exactly about fitting pegs to the right holes.
openMoments Page Formatting
Sorry for asking so many questions in one day, but is there a standard for formatting moments pages for things with multiple episodes? It seems like most pages I've seen have a folder for each episode, but I've also seen ones where each episode title is a heading. Are folders the standard, and if so, would I be okay to change any I see with headings?
openOdd edits for a story
I found Fanfic.The Little Lock That Could, and while the page itself was alright, I noticed that the subpages were in... rough shape, to say the least. Some issues include:
- Entries that are just blank bullet points (see here and here)
- A page that initially was just framework (and it still has the templates).
- Pages that don't specify a franchise (Characters.Minor Characters and Characters.Major Characters - probably not an issue, but it's still irritating)
- Pages being updated in real time (not really sure how to phrase it, but the page description itself gives updates on the story that would be more suited for a trivia page)
- And the subpage that convinced me to make this post, Memes.The Little Lock That Could. Not only is it very short for a subpage (only four entries), but it also has a total of seven images on it (the character pages also have some issues with multiple images in one folder, but this is the most extreme example I saw).
I noticed that most of this was done by one person (Tropers.Divoratore), but they haven't edited since October 2020.
Edited by idonomopenEdit war in Inside Out
An example of Clueless Aesop was re-added after it was removed after discussion on the Inside Out page.
openTime spent on a work's page
I want to create a work page (Spin Rhythm XD), and I don't think I will have any technical problems creating it. However, reading other trope and work pages on this wiki kinda discourages me, because they're very detailed and elaborate and I have a bad habit of writing very short, scuffed argument/texts/content. How much time and effort do you generally spend on writing such a page? Should I use the Trope Launch Pad?
openMCU and Canonicity of series. Live Action TV
I don't want to get into an Edit War, so will ask here.
Should I put Series.Agent Carter and Series.Agents Of SHIELD as Divorced Installment, since they're on Disney Plus as Marvel Legends, i.e. non-canon to Marvel Cinematic Universe, or should I leave it as it is?
Same for the Hulu series.
As it stands, canonicity of them is still being debated currently, so I don't know what to do.
openBan evader
Remember Spencer Collins 213447? He's an infamous user across the internet who believes that Bob The Builder will come back, and keeps bothering others about it. I've IP banned him across my wikis, but he keeps coming back under a new alias. He must have some strong VP Ns.
In any case, he's back as Scott 330. This is a ban evasion. How did he get past? I know TV Tropes bans VP Ns when creating new accounts. And he keeps making counterproductive Bob-related edits.
openGlitch in TLP preventing me from editing a draft.
So I'm experiencing a bug right now which is preventing me from editing the tropes part of my Zytokine draft. The source code of the draft is bleeding through the bottom banner of TLP (the one with "Launch Pad", "Launches", "Discards", and "My History" options), making me unable to edit the text that's blocked off by it. I need to at least fix a couple of trope examples on the draft (which I pulled directly from Music.Touhou Fan Music) before launching it.
Any workarounds for this glitch?
EDIT: Here's a screenshot◊ of the bug.
Edited by DivineFlame100openCrossing must be intentional?
This was deleted from CrossesTheLineTwice.Western Animation:
- "Tanks for the Memories": Rainbow Dash's entire Wangst at her pet tortoise having to hibernate in the winter.
Cleanup argued it wasn't supposed to be funny so is Narm instead. My questions:
- Does Crosses the Line Twice have to be intentional? (And is this misuse as it fails to explain how it crossed it a first time?)
- Was it supposed to be 100% serious? It was an allegory for death, but that it only last the winter suggestion they didn't want to go all in on the subject. The episode also had more comedy, including moments juxtaposed with Rainbow's Wangst, than "The Perfect Pear", which treated the subject of death 100% seriously.(Asked MLP cleanup.)
open Deadnaming Rules
It was recently pointed out to me that the deadnaming rules for this wiki say that the deadname can be used once in an article (although, really, it can be used many times, since another rule states you can add a note saying if they were credited under a previous name).
I disagree with this policy and believe it should be changed. Earlier this year, in fact, Wookiepedia got into a huge kerfuffle over their own deadnaming policy and Fandom Wiki had to intervene to set up new guidelines for all wikis that use Fandom Wiki. The rule is basically: don't use the deadname at all unless it's a redirect, so that people can easily look it up under both names. So if someone searches for Elliot Page's deadname, they will be redirected to, well, Elliot Page and realize that they are the same person.
Since this is Fandom Wiki's policy and seems like a good rule, I suggest that it be adopted by TV Tropes.
openHow do we refer to characters with multiple pronouns?
I recently came across our page for Friday Night Fever, which has a bigender character, Taki. Nearly all of the examples regarding her constantly switch from using she/her and he/him in the same example, and it's honestly confusing. So that got me thinking: how do we refer to characters with multiple pronouns? Do we stick to one set page wide or just keep it consistent in an example itself (like referring to a character with they/he pronouns as he in one example for a trope, and they in an example for another trope)?
openThe Metalocalypse Recap page have some Stub issues
The main index here.
What the title said; while the first few episodes from season one does have enough context (for a recap page anyways), scroll a little lower down the list...
.. the remains of pretty much every thing else after the quarter-point are practically stubs, stubs, stubs, stubs, more stubs, stub-ber-riffic stubbly stub stubs. And stubs.
Have I mentioned there will be stubs?
Considering most (if not all) have not seen updates for roughly 3-4 years (grabs AK-47) any objections about cutlisting them all?
Edited by RobertTYL
I know the trope applies to being mistaken for dead, but does it also apply to those who really have passed, and it's a ghost story told from the point of view of the deceased?