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Have we ever discussed Derek Simmons, the villain of Resident Evil 6? He's another I haven't played his game, but the description of his actions seems pretty awful to me so I'm curious.

I haven't played it either, but he'd have to do a lot to stack with Albert Wesker, the franchise's signature bad guy, who did everything from betray his teammates to try and end all life on earth.

And Alexia.

Yep.

It seems he's basically the head of a huge cult-y outfit that's been secretly influencing world politics for years, controlling which countries are dominant to which others and so forth. He desires to maintain the US's position at the top, and it looks like a good deal of the game is devoted to him attempting to cover up the fact that the US government collaborated with some of Umbrella's evil deeds, for which he'll do anything from causing another outbreak to assassinating the President.

Am concerned about heinousness with regards to Wesker though. If Simmons can influence world politics, and Wesker has enough Uroboros virus to infect the whole world, then they're both planetary threats, albeit for different reasons.

edited 28th Feb '15 9:49:41 PM by HamburgerTime

I think McLeach should be cut for being somewhat comedic (much of his scenes Crosses the Line Twice and may be Played for Laughs in a Black Comedy sense) and none of his targets are in any way scarred or really affected (in the long run) by the encounters with him (not even his main victim, Cody). He also may not know the animals are as sentiment as humans but did cross the Moral Event Horizon. He always seemed like just an Evil Poacher who Would Hurt a Child to me and nothing more. Although I understand why you guys might want to keep him but for me .

I think I found an Adult Swim example from Metalocalypse, The Metal Masked Assassin. While he was removed for a sympathetic backstory (Murderface accidentally killed his brother, it doesn't really excuse his actions in any way.

His Crimes: In his first appearance, he massacres his way through an entire crowd just to get to Dethklok and tries to kill two of the bandmates. The first thing he can be seen doing is performing human bisection. He has no regrets hurting crippled hospitable patients and backstabbing his own allies (as he did with that teenager and Magnus). In his second appearance he forms the Revengencers (an organization mainly consisting of brainwashed former fans). In the Season 2 finale, he attacks the album party (nearly killing hundreds and sacrificing many of his "followers") and beats Charles Offdensen to death (he gets better).

After this he disappears for a little but returns in the season 4 finale. Here he ambushes Dethklok at their manager's funeral and desecrates the guy's body in a fight. He also orders Magnus to kidnap Toki (as bait). In Doomstar Requiem (his last appearance, it's revealed he's been letting Magnus torture and humiliate Toki for quite a while. He also reveals that his plan is to end the world through a prophecy. He kills the priest for letting Dethklok get away and stabs Magnus for objecting. He ends up being destroyed by the band and never seeks any sort of redemption.

Is he heinous enough: He's probably the only character on the show who's never Played for Laughs. The Metal Masked Assassin clearly enjoys what he does and shows loyalty to nobody. He only used the brother excuse once (as motivation) before Doomstar Requiem and it's clear he's always been pure evil. Nobody on the show goes anywhere near as far as he does (most of Dethklok's casualties are accidental). Everyone who isn't on his side is scared of him and even his allies (who aren't brain washed) are uneasy around him.

Does he count: what do you think?

edited 28th Feb '15 9:58:54 PM by Idisagree

No to the Assassin. Genuinely loved his brother. His last words are actually referring to him.

And I think Salacia would disagree on the "only villain not played for laughs" front, though he may or may not be Made of Evil.

edited 28th Feb '15 10:15:59 PM by HamburgerTime

@bobg: For Rainbow Factry are you saying that the system is to messed up for any individual to count.

We downvoted Derek Simmons because he doesn't stand out from the crowd and most of his actions are entirely off-screen. He's also completely outplayed by Carla, the files state that he himself is not the one manipulating world events but he's part of a "family" that does so, so all that is left is trying to kill two of the protagonists (putting him on even footing with half of all villains period) and causing a viral outbreak (which would be at a minimum the 11th viral outbreak in the series to date).

EDIT: Just to illustrate how far away Simmons is from breaking through the base heinous standard for Resident Evil, I seriously underestimated the outbreak total. There are at least 20 other outbreaks besides the one Simmons causes, with half to three quarters being deliberately caused. Yeah, Derek Simmons isn't even close to qualifying.

edited 28th Feb '15 11:43:27 PM by Shaoken

I was wondering if the titular Boogeyman from the homonymous trilogy could count. He's a monster known for abucting children after viciously killed their parents. We don't know what happens to the children in his world but they probably don't have much time to live.His goal his to make people believe in him so he take control of the universe.

While he could be or not Made of Evil he appears to have some humanistic personalities like spying a girl who's having a shower and grabbing her rear end when she tries to escape. He also sometimes laughs evilly showing his sadistic side.

I'm not quite sure if he really counts since i never saw the full trilogy so the choice is yours.

While we're at it, let's discuss Candlejack from Freakazoid who kidnaps people who say his name!

No. I don't think a villain like that is going to qualify. I remember that story and he just seemed like Candlejack from Freakazoid. Very very played for laughs.

Also, I heard a rumour that Doctor Weil from Mega Man ZX is Wily. Speaking of Wily, him being responsible for Sigma and pretty much every thing bad that's happened in the entire Mega Man franchise, shouldn't he qualify? If there was a discussion on him, I'm sorry, but if he's Dr. Weil, should Wily count?

Candlejack? Honest to God, are you really suggesting hi

I was being sarcastic. Couldn't you tell?

Let's clean up Strasser. Any expansion would be nice.

• 1998's Mighty Joe Young: Andrei Strasser is an Evil Poacher who started by killing little Joe's mother and also killed Dr Ruth Young when she tries to save the little gorilla (not clear if it was intentional, but either way he shows no remorse). He also owns a fake animal preserve while he actually secretly butchers endangered species and selling the animal organs off on the black market. Even his partner in crime decides to quit when he tries to shoot Jill Young.

edited 2nd Mar '15 12:51:42 AM by ACW

@ST 89 months back I contemplated bringing up the Boogeyman, but decided not to due to moral agency issues.

Oh nevermind

edited 1st Mar '15 6:43:04 AM by Nikkolas

Ok, lesson learned: drunk typing? Fine. Mobile typing? Fine. Drunk mobile typing? Recipe for disaster.

Also, which boogeyman trilogy are you talking about? The movies, or something else?

They Boogeyman trilogy is a trilogy of horror films centered around the titular monster which is presented as a manifestation of fear. The first was a theatrical release and it got two direct to video sequels. The first film focuses on a young man returning to his childhood home where the boogeyman killed his father years back, the second focuses on a young woman who enters a mental health facility years after watching her father get murdered by a hooded figure, as the boogeyman kills off paitents at the hospital. The third film has him terrorizing a college girl after the alleged suicide of her roommate.

Now I've only seen the second film (although that was years ago mind you) but I remember the Boogeyman had an agenda in that movie (make people believe in him, kill those that don't), and a human like personality and even talks while he tortures and kills one of his vicitims. How ever it's still a demon and Made of Evil is in effect; as it's played as the physical manifestation of fear, but intelligent enough to seek revenge on those that don't believe in him.

This entry on Fan Works isn't very specific:

• TorBey from the Puella Magi Madoka Magica fic Magica Madoka Veneficus Puella. This time, as KyuBey's lackey, he forgoes all that which KyuBey at least attempted, from the fact that he doesn't bother to grant any wishes, to the fact that his purpose is to destroy the human population of Earth, he is more than qualified for a spot on this fine list of horrible villains.

The YMMV entry is different but not much better:

• Complete Monster: TorBey. Unlike KyuBey, he skips the turning-little-girls-into-liches part of The Plan and goes straight to turning them into Witches, downright lying to them to do so. Even worse, some of the witches attempt to revert back into their human form, which nearly always worsens their situation, creating more negative energy for him to collect.

So I'm going through the Ani Manga entries on the last Sandbox, making sure they've gone through this thread...

• I saw where the Prince was approved, but couldn't find anything (I don't think?) for Rudolf.
• At Magi: Labyrinth of Magic, I know the Empress counts, but someone added (and someone else removed) Jamil, and I know David was discussed and he's on the Sandbox, but not on the YMMV page. What's the verdict?
• Makishima was removed by someone saying the following. Was this ever discussed here?
  Makishima is more of a Well-Intentioned Extremist Dark Messiah whose actions were done out of destroying Sibyl.
• Lord Talpa is discussed, but is neither on the Sandbox nor the YMMV page.

edited 1st Mar '15 11:40:28 AM by ACW

@Klavice Yup- hence the vanishing sentence. I swear, Candlejack didn't actually kidnap me.

Anyhow, to the Bogeyman.

edited 4th Mar '17 7:32:58 PM by Scraggle

"Here's what you need to explain: The background of the show, who is the character, her evil deeds and how she stacks up to other villains. Also, if you know Person Of Interest, does Alonzo Quinn count?"

Alonzo Quinn is a sociopath for sure, but I don't think he's a CM as he doesn't stand out as doing anything cruel.

As for Martine, she's the dragon for Decima Technologies, an organization that brought the evil AI Samaritan into existence, forcing the main characters to change identities just to stay alive. Martine is tasked with the assignment to kill anyone who might know about the existence of Samaritan. When searching for one of her targets in a hotel, she haplessly guns down the desk clerk for no reason. When Sameen Shaw is discovered, she opens fire in a crowded department in an attempt to take her out. She then appears to have executed Shaw after she goes down in another gunfight, though it turns out she was kept alive for some Unwilling Robitization.

In a show in which villains are almost always Well-Intentioned Extremist's with Freudian Excuses's, she has not had one human moment. Even if she doesn't qualify as a CM now, I'd say she's one more Moral Event Horizon or Kick the Dog moment away from becoming one.

to the Boogeyman.

The 1996 movie Broken Arrow has been added to Canadian Netflix and from what I remember of that film, the main villain may count. I will rewatch the film in the next couple of days and see if he counts and if I think he does I will do an effort post on him shortly.

ACW: Rudolf ought be removed, Talpa should be added as he was approved (and I know I did a writeup). Put Makishima back and remove Jamil.

Makishima's aims at destroying SIBYL are NOT remotely benevolent. He loves the dark side of human nature. That's it.

I have a candidate: St Niklas from Sint (also called Saint and Saint Nik).

Who is St Niklas?

The film is a take on the character Sintercrist, a holiday figure similar to Santa Claus. The film portrays Sintercrist (refered to as St Niklas) as an evil bishop, who, long ago, led a gang of criminals that ransacked a village every December fifth, demanding gold, meat, pigs, wheat, virgins (presumably for raping) and servants. On December fifth 1492, the villagers finally rebelled and killed the gang. Now, whenever there is a full moon on the night of December fifth, the gang revives as zombies and skelitons to go on a murderous rampage.

What does he do?

When he revives on the night of December fifth 1968, he kills a family of 6 (four children (all little kids) and the parents), only one boy survives, while his parents and three sibblings are murdered. In present day, he kills a lot of people, like a real lot. At one point in the film, he and his gang enter a children's hospital and he makes his way into the patient's room. At the end of the film, we are told that the hospital burned down and that 35 children were killed ( and we see a tv broadcast showing the hospital on fire). We are also told that he sent a school bus into the river and killed the children ( we do not see the act, but we do see the bus sitting by the river and are told about it in a report). At one point, he goes over to a house, the mother dissepears up the chimney screaming and the boy sees Niklas, screams, and then is never seen again (police state that he is missing). The mother's body later falls out of the chimney. At the end of the film, we are told that from 1968 to 2010, he killed roughly 300 people, to say nothing of the people he killed from 1492 to 1968.

Any migrating factors?

He doesn't speak.

edited 1st Mar '15 2:30:33 PM by bobg