Crack is Cheaper should have the YMMV tag removed now that all the Real Life nattering (aka "every hobby ever") was purged from the page. Crack is Cheaper is also now In-Universe examples only.
A Wizard boyHave the wicks been cleaned, too?
I removed listings on Crack is Cheaper on YMMV pages up to E. The main problem I'm seeing is Zero Context Examples. Full list of all that were removed
edited 25th Jun '13 8:09:02 PM by MikuruFan
I'm not quite sure if All Animation Is Disney is better suited for YMMV or Trivia, but I have the feeling it isn't quite a trope. It's about an audience (and perhaps journalism) misconception about the creator of an animated work, not at all present in the work itself. There also seem to be two concepts running through this article; 1) any animation of good quality being mistaken for a Disney work (audience reaction/trivia), and 2) animated works intentionally following the Disney formula, pretty much invoking the misconception (trope/intended audience reaction).
edited 28th Jun '13 6:29:58 AM by Morgenthaler
Jerkass Dissonance) is with 7 positive votes and 0 negatives.
edited 1st Jul '13 7:22:47 PM by MagBas
Nominating Sequelphobic. Fans of a series oppose any creation of a sequel to a work out of fear of said sequel ruining the series. It's entirely in the audience and is related to Sequelitis.
edited 3rd Jul '13 11:27:11 PM by MikuruFan
All Animation Is Disney, as morgenthaler suggested. Beyond this, i am guessing in nominate Protagonist-Centered Morality after read the discussion page. In many cases, it is impossible prove that this is not merely a Values Dissonance issue, similar to Designated Hero.
A Wizard boyProtagonist-Centered Morality looks objective enough to me. That discussion argument seems to be more about interpreting a work than about subjectivity, per se. And the examples are almost entirely contestation-free.
edited 4th Jul '13 1:23:59 PM by MagBas
Square Peg Round Trope? I think Protagonist-Centered Morality is pretty objective and not YMMV. I know that trope tends to get a lot of shoe-horning anyway.
I would like to nominate Discredited Trope for needing a YMMV banner. "...a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, made obsolete, subverted on many notable occasions, or just end up being widely disliked." So, basically its just complaining about tropes you don't like. Also, it seems like it is highly subjective. Especially when you consider how huge the world of storytelling it, any one of single us would have a hard time giving an accurate assessment of whether or not something is "discredited" by amongst the whole spectrum of storytellers and story audiences. Example: Digital Piracy Is Evil is listed as discredited, claiming that most companies have given up. WTF? There are whole websites killed by take down notices all the time on a daily basis to this very day. Honestly I think it is so subjective as to need its examples cut, but I'd setting for a YMMV banner. Also, why the heck are there examples on there that aren't even tropes? People are throwing this like the catch phrases of individual characters on it, or giving narrative descriptions of supposed and stock phrases that don't even have their own pages?
edited 7th Jul '13 1:43:20 AM by Catbert
A Wizard boySo, basically its just complaining about tropes you don't like. I am somewhat sceptical of that. Many times I see that argument, it's pure hyperbole and/or strawmanning. That said, I agree with the YMMV idea.
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I don't think any index should be YMMV. No indexes are currently YMMV, and it would appear at the bottom of main pages.
edited 7th Jul '13 1:56:05 AM by MikuruFan
Then de-index it. Or cut examples and make it a "definition only" page.
edited 7th Jul '13 2:10:19 AM by Catbert
It's a term that pops up around trope descriptions too.
A Wizard boyDeindexing is the best approach, I believe. It isn't really a navigational tool as much as an example list.
"It's a term that pops up around trope descriptions too." Which is not a good thing. It basically smacks of a Tropes Are Bad approach to trope description writing. No matter what nuance you want to give to the definition we use on this page, the term "discredited" will never be understood by the general population of readers as having a positive or even neutral meaning.
edited 7th Jul '13 2:19:10 AM by Catbert
No, the other one.Considering Discredited Trope is about large, non-homogeneous patterns in how tropes are used, it's impossible to have a fixed definition in terms of "what's enough for a pattern". In many examples, there are (relatively objective) explanations for why the trope is discredited. I'd say it's basically an objective trope with a hard-to-define boundary and some difficulty in establishing where a trope lies in relation to said boundary.
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Even if you can say that something has been objectively discredited among certain specific audiences, I think there will be a certain amount of variance by genre, age group, nationality, etc. Not to mention a constant flux of what is "in" and "out" from year to year. Also, this is a bit off topic, but would anyone object if I at least removed this examples that aren't actually trope pages?
edited 7th Jul '13 3:27:57 AM by Catbert
Speaking of those, Dead Unicorn Trope is mostly made up of specific examples, which sound YMMV.
Dead Unicorn Trope isn't so much complaining or criticizing, in way that the term "Discredited" implies, as it is giving very factual, specific and detailed explanation of the history behind some commonly held misconceptions about old tropes. For example, the entry for Here There Be Dragons points out that only one map ever used this line, in contrast to the common perception that ancient maps were riddled with that sort of this. It also suggest that the line may have been referring to Komodo Dragons rather than the mythic beast. Although I would still cut out all the examples that aren't talking about specific tropes. Stuff like Call of Duty players all being screaming children. We don't have a trope page for that, so why list it? Dead Horse Trope would be closer to YMMV.
edited 7th Jul '13 4:38:27 AM by Catbert
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