To-do list:
- Remove Porn/Hentai/Ecchi works that are intended to be racy.
Best Known for the Fanservice, according to its page, describes works to which the following applies: "This is the common tendency for fanservice to overshadow everything else about a work."
However, either the trope has drifted in scope or was overscoped from the beginning. First of all, it has the usual issue where any sexual content, innuendo, etc. is referred to as "fanservice" regardless of intent or circumstances. It also tends to collect overly horny writing like all other fanservice tropes.
The bigger problem, though, is that "best known" is used very loosely and often just means "known," or sometimes "known by this troper who is typing with one hand." What a work is "best known" for is inherently subjective and subject to Fan Myopia — an argument might be made that the trope should require citations to be less subjective — but a good litmus test might be: Assuming you've heard of the work, do you have any idea what the "best known" fanservice in question even is? If not, it probably isn't an example.
Wick check: Here. Restricted this to YMMV pages since anything else is likely to be a pothole or questionable usage of the trope in the first place. I split this into a few categories:
- The definition that best matches the title and description: fanservice that is genuinely the best known thing about the work. This is not as common as the trope description would lead one to believe.
- Fanservice that is well-known and/or iconic, but not the best known thing, or at least one well-known thing among many.
- Fanservice was heavily played up during the promo of a work and may have been the best-known thing before it came out.
- Fanservice exists, but does not overshadow the rest of the work. In the wick check this is by far the largest category. Often accompanied by the phrase "Some people remember..." or similar.
- Fanservice exists, does not overshadow the rest of the work, but This Troper is going to be horny about it on the page anyway.
- Not an example/other.
Wick totals:
- Risque content that is the best known element of the work: 9/50: 18%
- Very well-known risque content but not the only well known aspect: 7/50: 14%
- Fanservice exists but is not the best-known thing: 15/50: 30%
- Was the best-known thing during promo/early on, no longer is: 5/50: 10%
- "This character is hot"/one-handed troping": 10/50: 20%
- Not an example at all: 1/50: 2%
- Unclear/other: 3/50: 6%
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 2nd 2022 at 1:46:44 PM
(she/her)
This thread has been moved to the TRS per thread consensus. The goal of this cleanup project is to remove examples from works that are fanservice or sex based as those examples are misuse.
I moved this to short term projects because I don't think this would be a long project but feel free to holler if you think this belongs in LTP instead
Macron's notes
Didn't know this was moved.
As far as the to-do list I'd add "remove examples of gushing and horny fan myopia," since that probably reflects more poorly.
I'm never one for taking away tropes. Let's just change the definition.
(she/her)
We aren't doing anything to the trope. We are just cleaning bad examples.
Macron's notes
low-poly Shinri
I’ll start with the Anime subpage
- Nisemonogatari, the sequel to Bakemonogatari, has several interesting characters with very witty fast cut dialogue, amazing visuals and Akiyuki Shinbo's unique directing style, not to mention the subtext of the meaning of original and imitation regarding everyday life. But you will all fondly recall the moment where you nearly died of laughter or shame when Koyomi brushed his sister Karen's teeth and it was supposed to remind you of something.
- Outside of the Black Butler fandom, the series is often known for the corset scene and the scene where Ciel was Disguised in Drag. That dress is his Iconic Outfit despite being only worn once.
- If someone knows anything about Brain Powerd, it's most likely to be the opening, which mainly consists of nude shots of the female characters.
- Cannon God Exaxxion is a near-Eva-level deconstruction of Super Robot stories, particularly of the "aliens invade, teenager's Mad Scientist grandfather gives him a Humongous Mecha to fight them with" variety and has a lot to say about the nature of heroism and the truth. Ask people about it on the Internet, though, and all you'll hear is talk, often derisive, about certain scenes with Lolicon undertones (and, uh, one with possible overtones, but still).
- The anime of Charger Girl is best known for the scenes where Plug wets herself.
- Cross Ange is more well known for the very attractive females wearing Stripperiffic pilot suits, having a lot of softcore Yuri scenes and the controversial prison rape scenes in the first two episodes than the actual main story of the show.
- There's a scene in Darker than Black where November 11 lounges around Amber's headquarters buck-naked. Naturally, fan tributes kind of fixate on it.
- Divergence Eve has a very serious and complex sci-fi plot, but that doesn't get talked about much. Instead, most people focus on the fact that almost every female character (not an exaggeration) has breasts the size of their heads and wears extremely tight-fitted clothing. It's almost impossible not to talk about the fanservice because of how omnipresent and out of place it is with the seriousness of the plot.
- Seems fine.
- Seems fine.
- If the rest of the show is like this, cut.
- This seems like complaining. Cut.
- Maybe fine? I might need a little more context.
- Cut.
- If the rest of the show is like this, cut.
- Not sure about this one.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 14th 2022 at 11:42:41 AM
low-poly Shinri
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Deleted some and commented a few that are in the unsure category (or are just ZCEs
Time for folder 2
- Eden of the East is an Ontological Mystery story that revolves around a man who wakes up with eight billion yen and no memory as he seeks to find out who he is, why he erased his own memory, and just what the secret organization that gave him all that money expects him to do with it. You would probably not know this from talking to its fans, however, because they're all too busy giggling over this.
◊ And once they get over that, they must contend with the vast horde of naked dudes that shows up later in the series.
- The Electric Tale of Pikachu: What if Pokémon was your typical Battle Shounen? The manga is notorious for this with most of the girls having a lot bigger bust size and lots of shots of the butt on characters and girls that wear very little clothing. Misty is the prime offender here, with a normal outfit that shows lots of skin and a swimsuit that shows some of her breasts from the bottom as well as the side of her breasts.
- Elfen Lied is probably best known as that manga (or anime) with huge amounts of nudity and gore. Most of the nudity is in the context of Mind Rape or psychological abuse, but that small detail easily falls to the side.
- Fairy Tail has lots of well endowed female characters who wear skimpy clothes and have several scenes where they are naked. The male characters also get some of this. Hiro Mashima's previous series Rave Master was also like this but mostly in the second half.
- Food Wars! features cooking treated as super Serious Business and the resulting Food Porn, with scenes that may make the viewer wonder "am I watching a cooking competition or a duel that decides the fate of the world?" However, it is also well-known for the many...vivid reactions of often-female characters eating these delicious dishes, making the viewer wonder "did the cook put aphrodisiacs in the food?"
- Most dismiss Franken Fran as some weird medical fetish manga, judging by the covers. Nevermind the horrific versions of each cover on literally the next page or the fact it's actually a horror-fueled Black Comedy.
- If you know just one thing about Free! it's probably that a bunch of hot muscular swimmer guys get half-naked a lot. As the anime seems to have been deliberately intended as a female-directed equivalent to the all-prevalent moe fanservice anime, this was probably expected, and the producers and advertisers have certainly made the most of it.
- The first thing you're likely to hear about From the New World is that there's gay romance in it. The second thing you'll hear about is that there's also lesbian romance in it. If you're lucky, someone might also mention the dystopian psychological horror plot that takes up 99% of the screentime.
- The only things most people seem to remember about Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet are the scene where Amy dances for Ledo in a skimpy outfit and the Beach Episode, despite the fact that the rest of the series has about as much fanservice as a Disney movie.
- Gantz is about a group of people about to die that are cloned by a spherical machine and forced to hunt aliens whom live secretely on earth in return for their "new lives", being full of moments of thriller and drama because of that. However, most people likely know it for two reasons: first, the extreme violence and gore; second and last, the large amounts of nudity and sex. The fact that the manga also features random and almost naked women in its chapters covers doesn't help.
- Highschool of the Dead is about a group of teenagers trying to find their missing families amidst an unexplained zombie outbreak, having to fight their way through hordes of zombies and surviving the outbreak. But with all the panty shots, cleavage, gainaxing, innuendo, and sex-related humor, it becomes easy to forget about the plot-related aspects.
- High School DXD. One word describes this series well: Boobs. Lots and lots of boobs. Issei thinks of boobs non-stop, every girl in his harem openly shows her assets, Marshmallow Hell happens regularly... The fanservice is through the roof with this one, and it (due to the fact the girls are also schoolgirls) was enough to get the series banned in New Zealand.
- Ask the majority of the Ikki Tousen fandom what they remember the most - chances are panty shots, boobs, and lesbians (explicit or subtext) will be more common answers than anything remotely related to Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which the plot of Ikki Tousen is actually about.
- Based on the way both fans and anime news sites talk about Is It Wrong To Try To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon, you'd think it was focused on nothing but the character Hestia and her infamous boob ribbon.
- Japan Animator Expo is a series of shorts organized by Hayao Miyazaki (the brains behind Studio Ghibli) and Hideaki Anno (creator of Neon Genesis Evangelion). They're a means for names in the anime business to create things without interference from production committees or studio censors, and what gets produced are hugely varied in themes but always visually amazing, whether it's sweet, action-packed, breathtaking, humorous, profound, depressing, or anything else. However, the only short that gets a lot of talk, besides the Evangelion ones, is "Me! Me! Me!" a music video about an otaku's fever dream that consists largely of identical crowds of the same woman gyrating half-naked or fully naked eager to jump (and eat) his bones, set to pulse-pounding techno/rap.
- Keijo!!!!!!!! takes this trope and runs with it. This manga is about a World of Buxom where pretty girls in swimsuits fight each other in pools and the only legal weapons are their breasts and butts to smack the opponent with, as well as some special moves they may have involving either. Which is exactly why people read it. If readers stick around, they'll find that Keijo is an over-the-top fighting anime that treats itself completely seriously, while managing to not just be mindless fanservice fodder.
- Killing Bites's finale had a scene where the muscular, shirtless Leo pins Yuuko to a wall and tells her she's his slave now. It lasted about two minutes and both the characters involved were minor... but to this day, every thread discussing the show inevitably includes a screenshot of that scene.
- The Stripperiffic heroine of Kill la Kill makes the series a Guilty Pleasure by design for many viewers. However, those who endure often come to appreciate the series' other strong points, such as humor, intense fights and its larger-than-life characters.
- Lyrical Nanoha:
- Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha only had fanservice manifest in a Hot Springs Episode, very early in the series, but it's the reason most commonly cited (right before the Transformation Sequence and Homoerotic Subtext) by people who don't want to watch it.
- Later seasons proudly fly the fanservice banner, making Nanoha known pretty much as a Girls' Love series with magical girls in it. It's one of the few to have adult females in an (ambiguous) relationship and even rarer in that they adopt a daughter.
- Magical Pokaan was a Cute Monster Girl version of Galaxy Angel, but what everyone seems to remember most is Dark Skinned Blond Stripperiffic wolfgirl Liru, who went on to become a Breakout Character. Other memorable incidents include Yuuma's occasional Marilyn Maneuver due to Chunky Updraft and a Furo Scene featuring overdeveloped tanuki "girls".
- Eden of the East: What's the "vast horde of naked dudes" later on? How common is it? If it happens a lot, cut.
- Electric Tale of Pikachu: This sounds like one-handed troping and possibly seeing things that the editor wants to see but I'm not sure. At the very least this looks like it could be rewritten. Unsure.
- Elfen Lied: Is it "fanservice" if it's meant to be disturbing? If Fan Disservice still counts that might be a keep but I don't know.
- Fairy Tail: I know Fairy Tail is infamous for ramping up its fanservice as it goes on. I don't think it's technically an ecchi but it skirts the line. Unsure.
- Food Wars: Not sure. I heard this happens often, but I don't know how often.
- Franken Fran: Sounds valid?
- Free!: Half the entry pretty much admits this was intentional and it doesn't mention the plot at all, so cut.
- From the New World: Same-sex romance is not fanservice. Cut unless the pairings are sexualized or something, in which case it could be rewritten to mention that.
- Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet: Sounds valid.
- Gantz: Don't know.
- High School of the Dead: I am 90% certain that one is an ecchi, cut.
- High School DxD: Same as the above bullet point. Heck this doesn't even mention the plot, so even if it were valid it's not written well.
- Ikki Tousen: I'm also pretty sure this is an ecchi series but I'm not certain.
- Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?: Might be valid?
- Japan Animator Expo: Seems valid but it could use a trim, it looks a bit gushy, especially that giant second sentence.
- Keijo!!!!!!!!: Entry says the whole thing is themed around fanservice and boobs/butts, even if it takes itself seriously it's clearly a part of its identity and not a minor thing, cut.
- Killing Bites: Maybe valid?
- Kill La Kill: I'm not sure if this technically counts as an ecchi (I have seen it in its entirety unlike everything else in this list, but I'm still not sure), but revealing costumes and nudity are so prevelant that it's clearly the sort of thing they were going for. It's not a minor detail, it's the whole premise. Cut.
- Lyrical Nanoha: Unsure. It sounds like the first bits are tame but then later on they play up more fanservice. If these are two separate series then maybe the first is valid.
- Magical Pokaan: Unsure.
I don't know enough about anime to comment on what is or is not an ecchi, but Kill La Kill (which I have not seen and have no opinion on the quality of) seems like a perfect example of something that does not belong here, but not for the reasons this thread has been hijacked into. If you Google it, pretty much everything is either routine news posts or general critical acclaim. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 100% with mainstream critics, a few of whom mention fanservice in passing, but most of whom praise it as a whole. This is not the news coverage of a work that is "best known" for fanservice. (Also an indication: I can't tell what the supposed "best known" fanservice is even supposed to be here. If it's the main thing people care about, why are so many people talking about things other than it?)
But yet again, the point of my post seems to have been completely misinterpreted, and I regret starting it. The name needs to be changed if we are just going to completely disregard the "best known" factor.
Edited by tropette on Nov 4th 2022 at 12:58:17 PM
Also, yet again, "intentional" does not matter either way. To give another obvious example, the shot of Halle Berry in the movie Swordfish was absolutely intentional — factually intentional, they paid her $500,000 extra for it. Yet this is nevertheless a textbook example of a work that is best known for the fanservice, because I don't have to specify what the shot even is. I probably don't even have to bring it up at all, since it's so heavily associated with the movie through cultural osmosis that just mentioning the movie's name will suffice. That's the trope.
Playboy Magazine is another example — the magazine published a lot of serious journalism in its time, including, infamously, an interview with president Jimmy Carter. But we all know what it is best known for. And it's absolutely intentional on their part.
Edited by tropette on Nov 4th 2022 at 1:24:27 AM
the Retromancer
I'll be honest. I do not understand the above ramblings, and they sound like another vent against a half-year-old mod call and 37:1 voting, and I take the intent is to preserve examples that are majorly focused on Fanservice. If not and the intent is to keep famous minor examples of intentional Fanservice, the trope as-is already allows it, so there's no issue.
The only part I've got that trope should be renamed Best Known For Minor Fanservice to reflect the new definition, which I do think is a good point because the misuse was caused by the current name, but that would need for the TRS to reopen.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I created the original post and wick check. I thought I was very clear in that post what did and did not fit, and what the criteria were. I don't know where the crowner came from, but it certainly did not include anything in my original argument (despite claiming to be "the discussed options so far").
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
See, this whole paragraph is funny to me because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so... yeah, sorry fam, citation needed. Not everyone is going to know every scene, and this is why Fan Myopia is something we're against.
The reason I'm bringing this up is because your whole argument seemed to rely on some of these scenes just being so well known that you don't have to even describe them... But that's not ever going to be true with anything, no matter how famous it may seem on the surface.
If "that's the trope", well, that metric is an impossible bar to pass and is also subjective af.
Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 4th 2022 at 4:31:27 AM
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the Retromancer
Also a reminder that we have Signature Scene, and some things mentioned sounded like they could fit there if not here.
Edited by Amonimus on Nov 4th 2022 at 11:42:00 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
That was my point in the original post — to get rid of examples of Fan Myopia and of horny gushing — and why I had suggested requiring citations for the "best known" aspect. It's an audience reaction trope, not a creator intent trope. It's not supposed to be incredibly common, but when it's in play, it will be very obvious. (In the example I gave, it's the first thing mentioned in the Wikipedia "Reception" section.)
Edited by tropette on Nov 4th 2022 at 1:47:14 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Anyway, no offence, but when we crowner these ideas we crowner things that were discussed and had support, or at least had concrete solutions. You did suggest citations, but as nobody really weighed in it didn't get crownered, and your other arguments were mostly just in favor of doing cleanup and didn't really point to anything that needed to be changed about the trope. Does that make sense?
I think that's where the confusion is coming from. You're really passionate about the nuances of this trope and what does and doesn't count, but a lot of the things your bringing up were already part of the trope definition, so it's a weird hill to be dying on.
Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 4th 2022 at 4:50:46 AM
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the Retromancer
I still don't see what creator intent has to do with it. The only thing changed is that if the work is literally labeled and genred "Erotica", it can't be known "for fanservice" because it's entirely fanservice. If it's not genred that, then the examples, including those you've brought up, would still be allowed.
If it's not all that, I suggest giving a 1-2 sentence description of the trope you're thinking of and how it differs from the current, because people don't get what are you talking about.
Edited by Amonimus on Nov 4th 2022 at 11:57:02 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
No offense taken. The thing is, however, that cleanup is currently happening, and I thought I was very clear about what specifically needed to be cleaned up:
1. Remove works that are clearly, blatantly known for things other than fanservice. No need to argue about good vs. okay examples, there are too many that obviously don't qualify.
2. Remove instances of fan myopia — most Periphery Demographic stuff, "many fans remember" wishy-washiness, etc.
3. Remove horny gushing, which you know when you see.
This isn't a "weird hill to die on" when this kind of blatant misuse makes up over half of the wicks. But somehow the crowner turned into "get rid of the ecchi" vs. "cut." Which is all well and good (if over-applied here — just skimming the list, most of it does not seem to be obviously porn), but once we're out of the anime section, that's most of the ecchi. Then what?
Edited by tropette on Nov 4th 2022 at 2:09:45 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Remove the things that are and have always been misuse and cut down on gushing? The reason a lot of these things weren't outright called out is because they already were agreed to be bad, and just because the crowner voted to narrow the trope slightly, that doesn't invalidate the other issues that nobody was actually questioning.
Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 4th 2022 at 5:10:17 AM
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It's more that the whole cleanup process seems to have turned into "ecchi cut, non-ecchi keep." Which introduces a lot of subjectivity into what counts as an ecchi and what doesn't, and takes the focus away on whether an entry is actually "best known" for fanservice, or if the troper was just fixating on the horny stuff.
Again, I'm not an anime expert, but I'll just start with the first entry, voted "seems valid" despite not seeming valid at all:
"Nisemonogatari, the sequel to Bakemonogatari, has several interesting characters with very witty fast cut dialogue, amazing visuals and Akiyuki Shinbo's unique directing style, not to mention the subtext of the meaning of original and imitation regarding everyday life. But you will all fondly recall the moment where you nearly died of laughter or shame when Koyomi brushed his sister Karen's teeth and it was supposed to remind you of something."
Will I? Who is "you all"? Even the troper here seems to remember the show for a lot of other things. Looking it up does not turn up anything about that scene, whatever it is. Seems like a clear cut to me.
the Retromancer
Edited by Amonimus on Nov 4th 2022 at 12:50:02 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I don't speak for everyone, but the reason it might feel like the thread is only cutting an example for being ecchi while "keeping" everything else is because it's the easiest misuse to find and delete right now, and there isn't really a reason to not just get that out of the way if the consensus is that the series is meant to be fanservice at the forefront. I at least never voted a hard "keep" on any of the examples in my last post, just that if something is blatant misuse, I can chime in and say why I find it cutworthy. I said things might "seem valid" but that just means there's no obvious problems judging from the bullet point and from what I'm familiar with and is never meant to be a vote that it has to stay on the page. Later on, when the examples that are blatantly "This series whose entire purpose is to have boobs in as many frames as possible is known for having boobs" are out of the way, there might be more discussion as to the things you mentioned, if a series is really only known for that or other things, if it's the majority that focuses on the fanservice or just a small group, etc.
Personally, I'd say that if an example talks about traits other than fanservice, that's a good thing generally (it's bad when the work is really just meant to be sex appeal first and the entry stretches the story to make it sound more deep than it actually is; it's also bad if it goes on and on to the point of sounding like the entry is trying to sell you the work, which is the case with that example), because it goes over what is being overshadowed by the fanservice, which is what the audience reaction is about. If even the troper that adds the example should only remember it for the fanservice, well... that could very easily lead to the exact sort of gushing we're aiming to get rid of.
and Yeah I do agree that that Nisemonogatari example is pretty bad. In addition to no context it's also Fan Myopia. At the very least it should be rewritten entirely. (Also Does This Remind You of Anything? sinkhole, ugh.)
low-poly Shinri
Finally edites the anime subpage again, and I edited out the ones that a bit iffy to me, If anyone wants to edit them, feel free
Now its time for the third folder (Plus my opinions)
- The best known of the Naruto fillers is the pre-timeskip arc where Naruto and Team 8 travel together. The most remembered scene in that arc is without a doubt the waterfall scene. Naruto spots a naked girl dancing in a waterfall. Unknown to him, it was Hinata practicing a new jutsu. 'Unsure
- Mention Negima! Magister Negi Magi and most people will inevitably think of Fanservice or Clothing Damage. Yes, the manga has a lot of fanservice, but it also has a ton of Character Development, an epic plot, and a ton of awesome fights. Still doesn't keep the fanservice from overshadowing just about everything else in the popular perception of the series. It doesn't help that the early volumes were more fanservice-heavy than later ones. To make matters worse, a lot of people's only exposure is the first anime, which is severely lacking in a lot of the more combat oriented storylines. Ironically, the second anime lacks any fanservice what-so-ever. Unsure along with the 2 bullets points down
- In-universe, Takane D. Goodman is remembered by others for getting naked a lot (although never by her own choice) and little else, except for her co-workers, who try to console her about that.
- In fact, Takane is so used to it that, when she challenges Negi (and loses) in chapter 345, when she ISN'T stripped of her clothes (which is how Negi usually and accidentally wins against her a lot), she's insulted, and DEMANDS that he undress her.
- Nurse Hitomi's Monster Infirmary primarily makes use of fanservice through the title character's Gag Boobs, but it also notoriously treads across miles of fanservice territory with the wild post-puberty changes of both students and staff. Both are even discussed in-universe. Probably invoke
- Occultic Nine is a paranormal mystery series where one of the characters is a huge-breasted genki girl. Lovers and haters of the series focus on her breasts and ignore everything else about the show. seems valid
- The seventh One Piece movie The Giant Mechanical Soldier of Karakuri Castle is an adventure involving a golden crown, giant robots, a giant turtle, and a (non-canon) explanation for how Luffy got the name for his Gear power-ups. All of that is brushed aside for Nami and Robin's breast enhancements, constant bouncing, and fetishistic outfits. unsure
- Between official art and a massive Yuri Fandom, the first thing you're likely to learn (or at least assume) about Puella Magi Madoka Magica is that there's (probably) a lot of homoeroticism in it. Oddly enough, the actual fanservice (what little there is) isn't mentioned as much, other than the "naked space hugs" scene. The importance of horror scenes is also overstated, making the would-be viewers assume it's chock-full of shocking violence; there's barely even any visible blood (aside from Homura in episode 11), and most of the deaths are undone via "Groundhog Day" Loop or Cosmic Retcon. It's really a tragedy, not horror. Probably doesnt count
- While the anime adaptation of Queen's Blade has a fairly dense story it's still part of franchise that won over tons of fans with attractive character designs and sexual content. As a result a lot of the anime's viewers didn't care and ignored the plot of the anime in favor of sexy scenes of their favorite characters. Invoked, If this wiki and Bennett the Sage is anything to go buy
- The short lived Shonen Jump manga Rookie Policewoman Kiruko-san is this trope to a T. The titular character is a green-haired, busty, hyperactive cop who caught the eye of fan artists all over, resulting in an explosion of fanart for her after only a few chapters were published. Unfortunately, this wasn't enough to keep the manga going, as it was cancelled after only six months of serialization. Unsure
- The anime adaptation of Rosario + Vampire is much Hotter and Sexier than the manga, with breast and panty shots galore, which has caused some backlash from certain parts of the fandom, but usually not to the point that it ruins the series for them. At least not until the 2nd season, which largely discards the plot in favor of even more fanservice to the point that most Establishing Shots include someone's panties. Probably invoked
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Dec 7th 2022 at 6:08:53 PM
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RJ Savoy
Ikki Tousen and Queens Blade are absolutely ecchi shows; I would say the latter has gone through a sort of inverse, in that it's well known for having a serviceable plot and likeable characters despite them being naked in every episode. Madoka Magica is best known for being horror in a cute artstyle, not the yuri. Brain Powerd seems to me to qualify, I watched one episode and it was in no way pornographic outside the intro, but I can't speak for the rest.
I think part of the problem that tropette is getting at is that it's hard to compare anime with mainstream films or television in this respect. If you're in the Anglophone world, you will read about English-language films and shows in newspapers, and about a few foreign ones. But anime is not only much more niche, it is also more fragmented, with far more titles and shorter runs than most live-action shows. So while we can talk of anime' perception as a whole in the public consciousness outside Japan, it's hard to talk of that of any titles other than the very biggest (Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball, Ghibli films and maybe Gundam as a franchise).
So we have to move from "what does the public know of this?" to "what does the medium's fanbase know of this?" I'm not sure how to handle this but we have to take into account what demographic would even recognise the title at all.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
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What should be done with Best Known For The Fanservice?
I was just going to make a short OP on how we need to remove wicks from fanservicy/sex based works. I think I'll do things the lazy way and move the thread.
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