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#51: Apr 27th 2021 at 9:46:09 PM

So, how do these crowner options look?

  • Expand to allow for "Fandom Injoke" examples
  • Split between the current intended usage, and a trope for Fandom Injokes.
  • Merge the Fandom Injoke usage into Stock Parody Jokes.
  • Create a definition-only page for Meme (not mutually exclusive with any other option)

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#52: Apr 27th 2021 at 9:49:53 PM

[up]Seems good, not sure if we need more options.

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#53: Apr 28th 2021 at 12:43:45 AM

I wouldn't add the last option. It's really an ancillary task.

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#54: Apr 28th 2021 at 12:44:16 AM

Fair enough. I wasn't sure about it either.

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#56: May 2nd 2021 at 6:29:23 PM

So far, one option has consensus, but for such a massive trope I'd like more votes. Anyone want to go to ATT?

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#57: May 2nd 2021 at 6:48:47 PM

To me, this passage from the description implies that the fandom-specific version is already part of the definition:

Fandom being what it is, this also applies to characters. The Internet is liable to spread a "meme" version of a character which is totally (oftentimes deliberately) at odds with the original depiction, such as a cheerful version of a dark or scary character, a sexy version of a character featured in a Jekyll & Hyde episode, or an unlucky-yet-annoyingly-optimistic version of a normally depressed, tragic character.

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WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
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#58: May 2nd 2021 at 6:50:44 PM

That sounds more like it's setting up for tropes like Memetic Badass and Memetic Psychopath, which...come to think of it, is entirely about fandom portrayal...but yeah. It doesn't seem to use the same definition of "Meme" that the general "Fandom Injoke" usage does, so I'm not sure if it's actually allowing Fandom Injoke examples or not.

Even then, sometimes descriptions can have misleading or inaccurate lines that don't actually reflect the definition. Moral Event Horizon once claimed that redeemed characters can count, for example.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 2nd 2021 at 9:52:59 AM

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#59: May 3rd 2021 at 4:16:55 AM

Heck, the MacGuffin description once said that a MacGuffin can be used for something, despite not being used being the whole point of the trope!

It looks like expanding the trope to allow for fandom in-jokes is going to win. If that happens, I recommend splitting example subpages between actual memes and injokes, like how Have a Gay Old Time is split between straight and intentional examples.

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#60: May 3rd 2021 at 4:20:33 AM

I downvoted having a subtrope for fandom memes, since it is very hard to consider what counts as popular or not. Emphasis on popular.

Edited by callmeamuffin on May 3rd 2021 at 9:20:58 PM

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#61: May 3rd 2021 at 6:23:10 AM

Can I say Memetic Mutation as a trope has evolved itself?

Given that as I'm into memes that are exclusive to the Furry Fandom and a bit into the Brony Fandom on Derpibooru. I'm into the splitting it to Fandom Meme. Pretty sure some inside memes can also become mainstream memes.

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#62: May 3rd 2021 at 9:32:22 AM

Looks like we are allowing fandom injokes. Calling.

Time to expand the description.

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#63: May 3rd 2021 at 9:34:54 AM

[up][up][up] Couldn't you say that about any YMMV item about fandom consensus? We ran into a similar issue with Fan-Preferred Couple, and I'll reiterate my stance from that thread: if it's clearly an example, it won't be hard at all to find evidence that it's popular. (I.E. more than one person making the same joke)

(Honestly the on-page examples for Stock Parody Jokes are the ones that I don't always trust to be actual popular jokes, as most of them lack explanations of which parodies even used the jokes, but that's something for another thread)

Edited by mightymewtron on May 3rd 2021 at 12:35:06 PM

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#64: May 3rd 2021 at 11:37:30 AM

Alright, if we're expanding, we probably need to revamp the description, but I don't think much more work is needed beyond that.

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#65: May 8th 2021 at 4:44:15 AM

That's done. Anyone's got an opinion on the new description?

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#67: May 9th 2021 at 2:00:29 AM

Anyone else?

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#68: May 9th 2021 at 4:52:03 AM

The folder for "Specific types of memes, tropes related to memes, and specific memes with their own pages" needs a machete. It's a weird mixture of memes, tropes, injokes, and Internet works. I'd like to rewrite it like this:

    open/close all folders 

    Meme tropes 

    Memes with their own pages 

    I don't think these belong anywhere on the page 

Also, while we're at it, can we get rid of the requirement to write all examples in one particular format? I feel like hiding the explanation behind labelnotes just adds more steps to actually understa

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#69: May 9th 2021 at 6:09:40 AM

[up]Umm, you can't just leave the sentence unfinished. Please, finish your sente

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#70: May 9th 2021 at 6:36:46 AM

The Candle Jack "joke" strikes again at the most obnoxious time.

I'm fine with splitting the meme tropes from the JFF, Useful Notes, etc.

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#71: May 9th 2021 at 9:38:50 AM

Should we address those other Meme tropes here?

Maybe we can move a batch of them to another thread at some point, like the Wiki Tropes thread currently open. But for now, I'm not sure there's much we can do without totally derailing this one.

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#72: May 11th 2021 at 12:40:47 AM

So, about that description...

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#73: May 18th 2021 at 3:36:57 AM

Clocking this. If no further comments come within the clock expiry time, I'll close this as "completed".

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#74: May 18th 2021 at 11:03:23 AM

Something can be done; I'm just not sure what should be done.

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WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
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#75: May 18th 2021 at 11:04:10 AM

Like I said, I'd rather tackle those in a batch than leave this thread up much longer, since we've succeeded in the goal of this discussion.

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