Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I added All Issues Are Political Issues. It just seems like a Flame War waiting to happen.
Other than the insanity defense, I don't see any reason to allow RL examples on Obliviously Evil.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Why do these tropes have their real life examples folder removed?
- Alas, Poor Villain: Is there controversy on which Real Life villain is sympathetic?
- Jerkass Woobie: If it's not nice to call people jerkasses, then why it is not nice to call them Jerkass Woobies? Is it too controversial or something?
- Pay Evil unto Evil: In what way is this an evil trope? Does it glorify doing bad things unto other people?
- Politically Incorrect Hero: Does this trope itself means that another would view the same individual as a Politically Incorrect Villain?
- Punch-Clock Villain: Does it invites controversy over which people do bad things because it's a job for them?
- Sympathy for the Devil: Does the trope glorify bad people or is it too controversial?
- Then Let Me Be Evil: Is it because it's invites an Edit War over who is treated as evil by society and then let themselves be evil?
- Villainous Breakdown: Is it because the topic about Real Life evil people always having their breakdowns is too redundant?
edited 19th Jan '13 10:15:55 PM by Craver357
Every one of those is a trope that starts by labeling one character as Evil or a Villain. This wiki is about troping fiction, not discussing the moral status of various real people and then inviting flame wars over them. Likewise, calling real people Jerkasses is off-mission.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
No, the other one.
If a flame war is waiting to happen, why hasn't it happened yet? I believe that if a page is currently being handled without flame wars, we shouldn't just snip things off because it could potentially develop into a flame war. That's just fascist.
edited 20th Jan '13 12:38:36 AM by AnotherDuck
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I think another part of the problem is that "Hero" and "Villain" do require a storyteller and that doesn't exist in RL.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Plus, one person's hero is another person's villain.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Awesome Ego - Added 16th Jan '13 at 06:02:46 AM, 6.5:1 (15 votes total)
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The flame wars are just an additional problem. This wiki is not about deciding which real life people are evil and which are good. That's totally off-mission.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
No, the other one.
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If you responded to me, it was about All Issues Are Political Issues, which is not about Evil or Calling People Bad Things. Well, it was also about that I think "potential controversal subject" is a crappy reason to not have Real Life examples, in particular as those supposedly risky flame wars haven't shown up yet.
edited 20th Jan '13 9:33:44 AM by AnotherDuck
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Doesn't matter. We don't invite controversy here. Talking about anyone in real life as a villain is forbidden.
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I mistakenly thought you were responding to me.
No, the other one.
Fair enough. I wasn't sure, since it didn't really match what I said but nonetheless seemed directed my way.
I was specifically not talking about calling people Evil or what not. Only about potential flame wars that so far have failed to show up.
edited 20th Jan '13 11:39:15 AM by AnotherDuck
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@Another Duck: I added All Issues Are Political Issues because the RL examples seem to be missing the point of the trope, which can lead to flame wars. The RL examples seem to have a lot of actual political issues (i.e. feminism, Israel), whereas the trope is about people making random things political.
edited 20th Jan '13 1:40:51 PM by wuggles
Neeever mind that that RL section is almost half the page's lenght.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
I disgree with that interpretation. The feminist ones were things no one considered political but somehow are now. That's not dissimilar to the examples given in the trope description. The political ones are still drawing one political area into another, unrelated one. Then there are the toads...
And even so, a few bad examples does not mean no examples should ever be allowed. It's like spotting two or three examples of natter and then locking the page because it attracts natter, or disallowing examples altogether.
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Violent Glaswegian has a real life section..should it?
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For starters, the "Glaswegian comedian Billy Connolly" example is Comedy, not Real Life.
Literature.Mc Auslan is Literature, not Real Life.
Seriously, some folks don't understand what Real Life is.
No, the other one.
I removed/relocated some of them. But overall, I don't think it's that bad. Not sure about whether it should exist or not, though.
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"In distress", my ass.
There are already several entries no the NRLEP list that are there because they're stereotyping, like with some sexuality (homosexuality and BDSM in particular) and race entries (f'rex Scary Black Man and Spicy Latina), so there is at least precedent for NRLEPing Violent Glaswegian.
edited 27th Jan '13 5:11:15 PM by Nohbody
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I can support that. In the meanwhile, I just deleted the aversions. Scottish people not being violent isn't worth mentioning.
"In distress", my ass.
In that case, Fighting Irish is also going on the crowner, for the same reason as Violent Glaswegian.
edited 27th Jan '13 5:24:26 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Obliviously Evil - Added 19th Jan '13 at 04:15:29 PM, 18:1 (19)
- Violent Glaswegian - Added 27th Jan '13 at 01:13:01 PM, 15:0
- All Issues Are Political Issues - Added 19th Jan '13 at 12:54:28 PM, 8:1 (18)
- Fighting Irish - Added 27th Jan '13 at 05:22:27 PM, 12:0
I added Ascended Fanboy to the crowner. It is one of those technical tropes that shouldn't have a real life section, as it is explicitly about in-universe examples. Promoted Fanboy is designed to be this trope in real life.
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
How about Obliviously Evil? I removed most of the RL section because two belonged under Well-Intentioned Extremist or Utopia Justifies the Means, and one about parasites because morality does not apply to animals. I left a note about the Insanity Defense as it does seem to fit, but might be better written into the description and the NRLEP tag put on as it is another evil trope. (The article needs some serious fixing in other ways, but that's for another thread.)
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