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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7276: Nov 17th 2017 at 4:14:52 PM

[up] Yeah, pretty much. I mean, the only conventional mechs that ever got to contend with the Evas were the Jet Alone (which was a true robot and thus can't be piloted) and the T-RIDEN-T (which can be piloted), neither of which would've lasted more than as much time it took the first Angel they faced to attack them since neither had AT Fields and had no particularly noteworthy defenses.

The idea came to me while I was contemplating stuff for a WIP story where all of the Evangelions are destroyed/lost for one reason or the other (Unit 02 in particular was destroyed after it and Asuka were forcibly used by demonic forces to create an abominable superweapon that was barely defeated before Asuka would've hit a point where recovering from the after-effects would've been impossible), and while Shinji is lucky enough to bond with a Magitek Humongous Mecha that partly works through direct mental control, poor Asuka has nothing available to her that she can use except the resident mass-produced mechs, which can only help her serve as a Red Shirt for Shinji's mech.

... Then she gets put into a life-and-death situation, and her frustration and rage at her helplessness ultimately awaken a power within her that she gained from her aforementioned ordeal: To pull a Titan Shifter and essentially grow a humanlike Evangelion's body that her own body is physically connected to from the inside, serving as an alien-flesh-and-blood equivalent of a Humongous Mecha. It would look a lot like Anima!Asuka's "Crimson A1"/"Torwartα1" form.

... Say, the term "Nephilim" is popularly used by Evangelion fanfic writers to refer to hybrids of human and Angel/Seed of Life like Rei, Kaworu, and their fan-made equivalents for Adam's Angel progeny. However, I think that term is more appropiate for Human/Evangelion hybrids like Anima!Asuka's Crimson A1/Torwartα1 form, given that "Nephilim" is commonly translated as "giants" and the half-Angel nature of Rei and Kaworu's bodies is not explicitly stated in canon (for all we know their bodies are completely human vessels for the souls of Adam and Lilith). What do you think?

edited 17th Nov '17 6:19:01 PM by MarqFJA

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#7277: Nov 18th 2017 at 3:53:41 AM

Could be.

Alternatively, I did once throw around that idea of the Angels and Evas being extradimensional entities and the Eva pilot being Willing Channelers of the latter to fight the former with.

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#7278: Nov 19th 2017 at 7:24:03 PM

Personally, I really liked True Love Waits.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7279: Nov 19th 2017 at 8:11:39 PM

I liked it too, sans the ending. It was needlessly cruel to Shinji, Misato and Rei, IMO.

On a different note, I have a question that's been bugging me for the last hour or so. Take the aforementioned "Asuka gains the Titan Shifter-style power of transforming into a giantess in Evangelion-like armor" scenario. Now, if giant!Asuka's final look is pretty much lifted off from the appearance of Anima!Asuka's Human-Eva Synthesis form, and she similarly suffers from having a childlike mentality (at first, at leastnote ), and it's firmly established that this is not the Anima continuity, does that make this a case of Mythology Gag? AFAIU, Mythology Gag is typically a one-time thing.

edited 19th Nov '17 8:12:06 PM by MarqFJA

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#7282: Nov 25th 2017 at 1:32:20 PM

While ~Eva Unit 01 gets around to responding to [up], I just realized something while thinking about the "Asuka believes in Hollywood Beauty Standards" idea that I had mention in [[this old post.

See, the whole thing came up as a way to rationalize why despite Asuka suffering a significant case of Your Size May Vary in terms of her bust size, Rei is more or less consistently drawn such that Asuka never exceeds her even at her largest (in fact, IINM she never even matched Rei, only closely rivalled her), and a lot of the larger-chested Asuka instances are from Shinji's perspective (implying that his own perception exaggerates that part of Asuka's body due to his attraction to her). And my rationalization does make sense, but just now I came to realize that there's a layer of irony to it.

Rei is a vegetarian, i.e. she should have a harder time making sure she has enough protein and fat in her diet, let alone an extra amount of either/both. Yet she somehow manages to have a more buxom figure than Asuka, who by genetics alone should have an innate advantagenote . Just one more reason for Asuka to simultaneously hate Rei for "daring" to upstage her, and hate herself for such an Epic Fail (in her eyes, that is).

edited 25th Nov '17 1:33:34 PM by MarqFJA

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#7283: Nov 25th 2017 at 7:18:18 PM

In the style of IWGP Heavyweight Champion Kazuchika Okada, I have three things I'd like to say.

First!

See, the whole thing came up as a way to rationalize why despite Asuka suffering a significant case of Your Size May Vary in terms of her bust size, Rei is more or less consistently drawn such that Asuka never exceeds her even at her largest (in fact, IINM she never even matched Rei, only closely rivalled her), and a lot of the larger-chested Asuka instances are from Shinji's perspective (implying that his own perception exaggerates that part of Asuka's body due to his attraction to her).
I've never actually noticed that, although in hindsight I do believe I agree with you.

Second!

Rei is a vegetarian, i.e. she should have a harder time making sure she has enough protein and fat in her diet, let alone an extra amount of either/both. Yet she somehow manages to have a more buxom figure than Asuka, who by genetics alone should have an innate advantage. Just one more reason for Asuka to simultaneously hate Rei for "daring" to upstage her, and hate herself for such an Epic Fail (in her eyes, that is).
Yep, that sounds like Asuka all right.

Third!

....I've got nothing.

On a completely unrelated note, however, I do find myself contemplating the idea of a Superwomen of Eva 2 fanfic, starring Sakura as Captain Marvel! It ends up with a weird two-person love triangle between kid-Sakura having a mild Precocious Crush on Shinji once she actually gets to know him a little better, combined with a weird mix of pride and angst when she discovers that Shinji, in turn, is nursing one for Captain Marvel.

On the one hand, I'm 99% positive that someone's already done it before.

On the other hand, I feel statistically confident that I can do it significantly better.

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#7284: Nov 26th 2017 at 4:09:56 AM

probably owe their bust sizes to the significant improvements in Japanese dietary trends over the past 100 years

Umm... not to sound nitpicking, but I read NGE lemon that uses that exact excuse to reverse correlation between age and size of a certain part of the male anatomy for netorare purposes. Just saying. That statement thus carries major Unfortunate Implications vibes for me.

edited 26th Nov '17 4:10:21 AM by amitakartok

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#7285: Nov 26th 2017 at 1:27:53 PM

Well, I've read recently (though I forgot the link) that the observed trend of increasing average height/weight/bust size in the population of the USA over the past decades is at least partly attributed to the impact of scientific advances on the food industry and personal healthcare.note 

Also, remember that Japanese society was stuck at the equivalent of the European Middle Ages until the Meiji Revolution in the 19th century. That means that the average Japanese commoner was not as well-fed as his/her European and American contemporaries for centuries, which consequentially would negatively impact the Japanese population's average growth rate, terminal height/weight/etc. and other relevant aspects of human biology that are dependent on the quality of nutrition, during that period.

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#7286: Nov 27th 2017 at 9:32:30 PM

You know, I am trying to think of alternate kind of Superwomen of Eva for my own stories, but it's kind of hard.

Best one I can think of right now is one where Misato is The Punisher, which she became because the Superwomen of her dimension screwed up somehow and Shinji got hurt bad (if that's the only one that got hurt). May or may not be going all Garth Ennis with her distaste (don't think so—not much of a fan of Ennis), but that first few months were a pain.

You guys got any ideas?

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#7289: Dec 4th 2017 at 6:20:51 AM

Question involving SCE.

Would it be a case of "You Fail Chemistry Forever" if there existed a chemical that's harmless to the human body by itself but if mixed together with enough meth, it renders the meth inert?

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#7290: Dec 4th 2017 at 8:46:38 PM

I don't really know enough about chemistry to say, but my suspension of disbelief would allow it.

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#7291: Dec 5th 2017 at 12:28:44 PM

Something along the lines of stuff that, in high enough quantity, acts as an inhibitor of sorts that chemically binds to the meth to make it unable to bind to the proper receptors in the body. Below that threshold, the meth is unaffected.

The thought behind this is that the ones cooking up the meth deliberately mix this inhibitor into the meth prior to portioning it out into safe doses so that if someone tries to mix multiple doses together for a stronger kick, the inhibitor kicks in and renders all of it inert to make it impossible to overdose on it, whether accidentally or deliberately.

Though to be fair, I don't know if this portrayal of a moral drug manufacturer wouldn't blow someone's fuses along the lines of "he's whitewashing the immorality of drugs and therefore indirectly advocating drug use"... even though the manufacturers in question actually giving a damn about their customers' health is a plot point.

Specifically, the manufacturers in question are a trio of brothers who used to work for a pharmaceutical company that went out of business due to inability to compete with the AEL. With the AEL not hiring chemists at the moment due to concentrating their resources on the Evangelion project and having absorbed or driven bankrupt every other legit pharmaceutical company in the region, the trio turned their talents in the field of chemistry towards cooking meth and selling it for a living. In fact, they are so brilliant at their field that they invented the meth inhibitor from scratch.

Such talent eventually drew the attention of the yakuza, who began selling lower-quality and inhibitor-less meth at a lower price to undercut the brothers into being forced to work for them instead of being freelancers. Kaworu and co. enter the picture when at least one person dropping dead from meth overdose in the suburbs makes the news and they start asking around for the stuff's origin, which leads them to the trio who insist that the meth wasn't theirs because theirs are OD-proof due to the inhibitor and help track down the real culprits, whom Kaworu and gang promptly put out of business by trashing their lab.

They'd return later on when druggies around the city start being hospitalized with ghastly injuries from a new drug and Kaworu asks the trio for a professional opinion, who look at the stuff, determine that it's basically this universe's equivalent of krokodil (contaminated desomorphine sold as a street drug in Russia) and lend a hand at putting a stop to this because that shit is horrifyingly dangerous.

Yui eventually hires them on to work for the AEL at Kaworu's suggestion.

edited 6th Dec '17 3:27:28 AM by amitakartok

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#7292: Dec 5th 2017 at 3:42:58 PM

Finally, I was getting sick of being sick for almost three weeks in a row. Damn stubborn common flu infection... it seems like an all-new strain that I've never been exposed to before and which my body had unexpected trouble adapting to. Relapsed twice; hope there's not a third time.

Anyway... While working out a plausible outline of what kind(s) of Fatal Flaw(s) Asuka has to have to be equally liable to a Deal with the Devil with any of the four Gods of Chaos from Warhammer 40,000 while simultaneously making her Pride issues at the root of it all, I discovered something shocking.

I didn't have to employ any Alternate Character Interpretation at all to achieve that. Everything is already there for each Ruinous Power to capitalize on for converting her.

Khorne? Sure, her pride in her skills as an Evangelion pilot is actually a facade she puts up to cover up her almost non-existent self-esteem, but she does genuinely try to rise above her (partly self-perceived) weaknessnote , and that's something that Khorne approves of and is often used by his Daemons as a lure to entice prospective converts. Furthermore, the long process of breaking her prideful facade did cause her Hair-Trigger Temper and hatefulness to worsen, particularly when it comes to those she perceived as responsible for her increasing misery. Guess which emotion Khorne feeds upon.

Nurgle? The Despair Event Horizon that Asuka falls into after the complete shattering of her already secretly-broken self-confidence is straight up his alley, and his paternal omnibenevolence is just the thing that will tickle the poor girl's love-starved heart something fierce, too.

Tzeentch? Her all-consuming desire for glory and success as well as refusal to accept anything but being "the best" as her lot in life are obvious ins for the Architect of Fate on account of them being expressions of Ambition, of which Pride is an important element. And from what I've gathered, Tzeentch's portfolio also covers Envy (since wanting to have something another has that you lack is a form of desire to change one's fortune, which is straight in Tzeentch's ballpark), which is definitely something that Asuka feels a lot of towards Shinji, Rei, and probably others for easily getting the things that she worked hard all of the past decade of her life to gain (and she either fails or ends up losing those things).

Slaanesh? He's the freaking God of Self-indulgence and the ultimate epitome of narcissism in the WH40K setting; the egocenterism of Asuka's obsession with praise and recognition is the equivalent of painting a bull's-eye on herself for any passing Slaaneshi Daemons. And of course, we can't her dogged pursuit of a man twice her age despite being barely into puberty herself (implying that it started before she hit puberty) and his own disinterest in her; such defiance of Western sexual taboos is just asking for a Slaaneshi to start whispering ever-increasingly deviant suggestions into her ear.

edited 17th Dec '17 6:47:46 PM by MarqFJA

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#7293: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:23:41 PM

@amita: I would actually be totally okay with that kind of storyline.

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#7294: Dec 6th 2017 at 9:07:26 AM

You might but if I were to upload that to FF.net, some critic nazis might take offense that I dare to post controversial material nothing to do with sex and violence.

And I don't mean anonymous reviewers with negative opinions; those I routinely ignore. I mean the organized groups who maliciously report stories for not meeting their standards, abusing the fact that the admins pull reported stories without ever looking at them.

edited 6th Dec '17 9:09:17 AM by amitakartok

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#7295: Dec 6th 2017 at 8:52:13 PM

Good thing we don't have to worry about that on SV, then.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#7296: Dec 7th 2017 at 12:59:06 AM

Yeah, but SV isn't the only site I'm posting the story on.

I've checked SV's rules and while this isn't covered and the rules explicitly say that SV is not and was never meant to be work-safe, I wouldn't be surprised if they stepped in anyway on that cursed principle of "better safe than sorry".

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#7297: Dec 7th 2017 at 5:10:55 PM

Well if you're worried about it, then consult a mod and just ask them straight-up.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#7298: Dec 12th 2017 at 4:01:47 PM

...I had the weirdest idea today.

Sometime between Shinji getting Gendo's summons and actually getting going to Tokyo-3, he's wandering aimlessly when he finds a certain red gem lying dusty and abandoned on the roadside. Curious, he takes it home... and almost drops in in fright while cleaning it when it suddenly starts talking.

"Device Online. Are You My New Master?"

edited 13th Dec '17 3:15:27 AM by amitakartok

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7299: Dec 13th 2017 at 5:29:00 AM

Oh boy, I sure hope either Raising Heart or Yuuno is a fully qualified psychotherapist (if both are, all the better).

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#7300: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:12:30 AM

I wasn't thinking of a straight crossover, actually; Kaiser got that covered. I just thought "what if Shinji finds Raising Heart?" and my brain kinda snowballed from there.

The reason why no MGLN characters appear in the story is because this takes place a loooooong time beyond MGLN's timeframe and everyone has grown old and died ages ago. Both Raising Heart and Bardiche have changed hand several times over the centuries and were ironically being transported to a museum as Lost Logia when an accident dropped them both to NGE!Earth (which is NOT the same as MGLN!Earth, hence why the "far future" excuse works). Asuka found Bardiche as a child, Shinji stumbles upon Raising Heart just before going to Tokyo-3.

The question is... what do the kids do next?


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