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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6676: Dec 4th 2016 at 11:08:59 PM

Also, do you mind if I quote and respond to a thing you posted on another forum in this thread, since it's topic-relevant?
Go ahead.

edited 4th Dec '16 11:09:26 PM by MarqFJA

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#6677: Dec 5th 2016 at 8:21:23 AM

I hope I'm posting this in the right place.

I am curious to know what the personalities of the Rei IV, V, and VI are like. It's for a trio of sister-clones for Rei (dubbed Rei IV-VI here) in a fanfic idea of mine, you see; I'm trying to figure out if it's plausible to have Rei IV be a cynical misanthrope with an aggressive and domineering streak, Rei V be a shy girly-girl who wants everyone to be happy and get along, and Rei VI be pretty much a kid-sized version of the genki!Rei from the TV ending's highschool alternate world (minus the immediate distrust of Shinji for supposedly looking up her skirt after they crashed into each other), or essentially a kid-sized version of Rei III from Petit Eva.

What do you guys think?

From what little I've gleaned thus far, Rei 4 appears to have some kind of yandere tendencies toward Shinji - saying that she hates him and intends to kill him because of his role in stopping the Human Instrumentality Project, but also kissing him. However, it's also noted that she suffered "mental contamination", so I imagine that at least some of that negativity on her end could be a result of being Brainwashed and Crazy. To further distinguish herself from the others, she also has silver hair.

Rei 5 is described in her short little blurb as showing very rapid growth, with the potential to eventually eclipse even Rei II. My presumption is that it refers to "growth of her identity", my understanding of which basically means that she'd be sort of a hypothetical "Ultimate Rei" whose personality is sort-of coherently amalgamated from all the other Reis. For what it's worth, it's also said that she went out via Heroic Sacrifice to protect Asuka.

Rei 6, aside from having a 7-YO body, is described with no further elaboration as having a "high teen" personality. Although apparently she's jealous of Mari being a catgirl, or something.

edited 6th Dec '16 12:08:21 AM by EvaUnit01

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6678: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:52:48 AM

So my impression from what little the Evageeks wiki said about them isn't far off... but you haven't said anything about the interpretations that I had proposed.

On a different note... What if Shinji was gay... and developed a crush on Kaji at first sight? Very funny read, to be honest.

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#6679: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:26:05 AM

Personally, my supposition is that IV is probably too clinical/neutral of a temperament to really be "domineering". I'm basically imagining her as somewhere between a more hostile/misanthropic Ritsuko, and a teenaged girl version of Rau le Creuset who's operating on a set of ideals closer to SEELE's than "everyone wants to die, even if most are in denial about it. Therefore, I'll simply do my best to enable them".

V, I'm thinking, is probably something mostly similar to the Rei in the Shinji Ikari Raising Project manga personality-wise, except that she's assertive instead of shy. My mental image of Rei V is something like "The Ace of all Reis."

Your take on VI is probably something close to accurate.

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#6680: Dec 12th 2016 at 4:06:33 AM

...don't know if I should interrupt this discussion with my crap.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6682: Dec 12th 2016 at 6:35:10 AM

It is if I say so!

Anyway. For the next chapter of SCE, what do you guys think about Asuka celebrating her fourteenth birthday by challenging Kaworu to a drinking contest? Kaworu, whose superhuman metabolism can safely process blood alcohol levels that would kill a regular human to the point where he can drink pure ethanol the way regular humans drink beer? He naturally warns her that it's not a good idea, especially with her not having much experience drinking due to her age, but Asuka being Asuka, she insists and ropes Mari and Hikari into it as well.

Cut to about an hour later, a completely sober Kaworu sighing in exasperation as he carries the passed-out girls to Asuka's bed one by one, while wondering how is he going to tell this to Asuka's dad.

edited 12th Dec '16 6:38:04 AM by amitakartok

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6683: Dec 12th 2016 at 6:40:12 AM

... So who lasted longer among the three girls, and who ended up dead-last? Rule of Funny would suggest Asuka as being the most lightweight among the three, with Hikari surprisingly proving to have the highest tolerance despite never drinking before, barely beating out the more experienced Mari.

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#6684: Dec 12th 2016 at 7:01:46 AM

I'm leaning towards not mentioning who lasted for how long. After all, they're mostly inexperienced when it comes to alcoholizing - whereas Kaworu, as mentioned in an earlier chapter, once drank methanol. For regular humans, even a small dose of that stuff causes permanent blindness and a moderate dose is lethal; Kaworu drank more than the normally-lethal dose and recovered completely.

Of course, he wasn't specifically engineered to be alcohol-resistant. It's just that the metabolic enhancements he got for resisting chemical agents like heavy metals and weaker types of nerve gas cause his system to filter and flush out alcohol so quickly that if he tried to get drunk on beer, his kidneys would shut down from overwork way before he'd even get tipsy. That's why he drinks only hard liquor and does so directly from the bottle: anything less would be like drinking tap water for him.


On another matter, I recently found the lyrics of this to be pretty much perfect at what I've got planned:

edited 12th Dec '16 2:17:01 PM by amitakartok

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#6685: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:54:01 AM

...no one cares, as usual. Oh, well.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6686: Dec 14th 2016 at 6:41:54 AM

Hey now, I at least was waiting to see if anyone else wants to chime in.

That said, the scene sounds like it would be pretty funny.

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6687: Dec 14th 2016 at 6:51:11 AM

Though now that I thought about your question, I figure Mari would have the highest alcohol tolerance of the three.

Why? Being the tallest and most well-endowed equals having the most body mass, resulting in more alcohol having to be administered to reach the same concentration per kilogram.

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#6688: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:18:14 AM

Sorry for the lack of response, I was rockin' out to Richie Kotzen. </embarrassed>

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#6690: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:22:37 PM

It's a Gundam album. Of course the majority of everything on it is Awesome Music.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6691: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:11:41 PM

@Amita: Unless Mari is not only significantly taller (like she's 1 or 2 heads taller... and, of course, the rest of her is proportionately enlarged) but most of her extra weight is from her core body (that is, the actual torso), then I doubt the difference would be noticeable barring a really huge advantage from genetic factors. Extra breast mass shouldn't affect her tolerance to alcohol, given that breasts are mostly adipose tissue with the rest being the actual mammary glands and the ligaments supporting the breasts' entire mass; I doubt any of those tissue are ever involved in the absorption/processing of alcohol that is integral to determining achohol tolerance (unless we're in a Rule Of Comedy-heavy setting, which SCE is definitely not).


On a different note, this one story (which has Multiple Endings) that starts off with the accidental merging of Rei and Asuka into a single being with an amalgam of both physical and mental characteristics (and, IIRC, the entirety of both girls' sets of memories) has led me to wondering... How do you imagine a fusion of Asuka and Rei would be like, both physically and psychologically? What about those two plus Mari? And if Mana and Mayumi are added into the mix? Or any other combination of the five?

Hell, there's also fusing Misato and Ritsuko together.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Do keep in mind to consider unconventional possibilities, such as that Asuka's petite figure may actually be caused by misguided dieting on her part. (This particular possibility would naturally open the question of whether such unrealized potential could be realized through the merger.)

PS: Yes, there's at least one fanfic in which Shinji and Asuka merged into a single person at one point; see that fic's entry on Fusion Dance for details.

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#6692: Dec 16th 2016 at 12:11:39 AM

How do you imagine a fusion of Asuka and Rei would be like, both physically and psychologically?
Basically Mana, if she had bipolar disorder.

What about those two plus Mari?
A walking fanservice machine (in the sense that stuff's always happening so that she ends up flashing people her goods and/or suffering Clothing Damage and/or being the constant victim of everyone else having Accidental Pervert moments) and being moderately annoyed about it because it gets in the way of her being an Ace Pilot and beating the crap out of alien kaiju.

And if Mana and Mayumi are added into the mix? Or any other combination of the five?
I see Asuka+Mari+Mana as pretty much a less self-destructive teenaged (version of the current) Misato, personality-wise. Something of an Understanding Violently Protective Girlfriend who maybe likes to party a bit too much.

edited 16th Dec '16 12:19:08 AM by EvaUnit01

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6693: Dec 17th 2016 at 3:32:04 AM

Basically Mana, if she had bipolar disorder.
Well, being a Mood-Swinger for at least the first few weeks/months of such a fused state would be expected. But what about after she had enough time to process things and acclimate to her state of being, especially if it became apparent there's no solution in sight for restoring her back to being two individuals (if she even wants to; perhaps the Asuka and Rei parts of her self realize over time that they're more comfortable in this state, with the other girl's traits balancing out her own flaws, than they were as separate people)?

A walking fanservice machine (in the sense that stuff's always happening so that she ends up flashing people her goods and/or suffering Clothing Damage and/or being the constant victim of everyone else having Accidental Pervert moments) and being moderately annoyed about it because it gets in the way of her being an Ace Pilot and beating the crap out of alien kaiju.
... Assuming this is a serious answer (because it sounds like something straight out of a To Love Ru-ized shonen action version of Evangelion... not that there's anything wrong with that, just that it's completely out of the blue), I have to ask: Why a "walking fanservice machine"?

I see Asuka+Mari+Mana as pretty much a less self-destructive teenaged (version of the current) Misato, personality-wise. Something of an Understanding Violently Protective Girlfriend who maybe likes to party a bit too much.
Hmmm... That's one plausible outcome of such a fusion. What if Rei and/or Mayumi were added into that equation?


While I await further feedback (seriously, where are the other regular posters? I wouldn't mind them saying that they're drawing blanks or aren't interested; it's better than total silence.)... What would be a good title for a story that is Recursive Fanfiction remake of this fanfic?

Summary of the original story for reference: An Angel strikes a deal with the now godlike Rei Ayanami in the wake of a disastrous Third Impact to travel back in time and fuse future!Rei's soul with past!Rei's own to impart the future self's memories in the process, then cooperate to both avert Third Impact and ensure a happy life for Shinji Ikari in particular (preferably with the two of them by his side) and as many innocent people as possible in general... which gets an added complication when said Angel accidentally includes the love for Shinji that she and Rei have into the "template" that she imprinted upon three other Angels (whom she surreptiously swiped during the Second Impact of the rebooted timeline) to break their programmed loyaltynote  and convert them to her cause. Incidentally, all four Angels co-opt soulless clone bodies of Rei to serve as human-shaped vessels for their souls.

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#6694: Dec 17th 2016 at 6:20:19 AM

seriously, where are the other regular posters? I wouldn't mind them saying that they're drawing blanks or aren't interested; it's better than total silence.

Well, it doesn't really interest me, to be honest. Bodyswap stories were dime a dozen in the fandom's first decade or so.

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#6696: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:01:09 AM

... Assuming this is a serious answer
Dead serious.

(because it sounds like something straight out of a To Love-Ru-ized shonen action version of Evangelion... not that there's anything wrong with that, just that it's completely out of the blue),
In my mind's eye, I envision the character as unwittingly forcibly causing a TLR-esque Genre Shift in her immediate personal space.

I have to ask: Why a "walking fanservice machine"?
Rei. Mari. Asuka.

You seriously have to ask?

Although given that Mana "canonically" stripped for Shinji in one of her endings (and may have tried to do the dirty deeds with him in the locker room - if you know what I mean - on a different story path), adding her into that mix would tone down the Blood Knight aspects and also "lessen" some of the "annoyed about being Ms. Fanservice" aspects.

What if Rei and/or Mayumi were added into that equation?
Then you'd probably get something that's predominantly Mana, what with Asuka/Rei and Mari/Mayumi largely balancing each other out on the personality extremes.

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#6697: Dec 17th 2016 at 11:52:32 AM

In my mind's eye, I envision the character as unwittingly forcibly causing a TLR-esque Genre Shift in her immediate personal space.
And if I stipulated that such a drastic Genre Shift is to be avoided, while allowing for downplaying the more depressing aspects of NGE's Original Flavor for flexibility's sake?

Rei. Mari. Asuka.

You seriously have to ask?

Yes, because fanservice is far from the dominant trait for any of the three characters, even if it is indeed not a minor one.

That said, I would've potholed No Nudity Taboo for Rei instead of generic Ms. Fanservice, because that's the most prominent aspect of her on-screen fanservice.

Although given that Mana "canonically" stripped for Shinji in one of her endings (and may have tried to do the dirty deeds with him in the locker room - if you know what I mean - on a different story path), adding her into that mix would tone down the Blood Knight aspects and also "lessen" some of the "annoyed about being Ms. Fanservice" aspects.
That's logical... though I wouldn't be surprised if Mari herself is likely to do the same in similar circumstances and with no reason for her Blood Knight-ness to come into play. There's a time and place for everything, after all, and as far as we can tell Mari only goes Blood Knight when there's an opportunity for an actual fight (and so far this only happened when it involved battling an Angel).

Then you'd probably get something that's predominantly Mana, what with Asuka/Rei and Mari/Mayumi largely balancing each other out on the personality extremes.
Yeah, maybe. Though IMO, adding the other four girls would probably enhance the prominence of relevant traits in comparison to Mana's baseline, all in a balanced manner.

Example: AFAIK Mana never seems to display any actual pride in something; Asuka's inclusion would then logically give her a prideful streak, but one which is not excessive or completely self-centered. Similarly, Mana does not seem to enjoy fighting; adding in Mari would give her Blood Knight traits, but tempered into something manageable that lacks the Ax-Crazy-ish undertones of Mari's behavior in Rebuild, and perhaps more along the lines of being a Spirited Competitor who enjoys a good challenge and friendly competition.

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#6698: Dec 17th 2016 at 9:42:52 PM

And if I stipulated that such a drastic Genre Shift is to be avoided, while allowing for downplaying the more depressing aspects of NGE's Original Flavor for flexibility's sake?
Not a single damn would be given.

That's logical... though I wouldn't be surprised if Mari herself is likely to do the same in similar circumstances and with no reason for her Blood Knight-ness to come into play. There's a time and place for everything, after all, and as far as we can tell Mari only goes Blood Knight when there's an opportunity for an actual fight (and so far this only happened when it involved battling an Angel).
Example: AFAIK Mana never seems to display any actual pride in something; Asuka's inclusion would then logically give her a prideful streak, but one which is not excessive or completely self-centered. Similarly, Mana does not seem to enjoy fighting; adding in Mari would give her Blood Knight traits, but tempered into something manageable that lacks the Ax-Crazy-ish undertones of Mari's behavior in Rebuild, and perhaps more along the lines of being a Spirited Competitor who enjoys a good challenge and friendly competition.
You seem to be forgetting this (or perhaps I'm reading between the wrong lines), but Series!Asuka had a pretty hellacious Blood Knight streak too, y'know. Complete with an Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy attitude regarding her VERY FIRST EVER PRODUCTION MODEL EVANGELION!!!

Aside from that, Mana didn't really have much to be proud of. I mean, conscripted child soldier whose internal injuries have made it so that the only reason she hasn't outlived her usefulness yet is because the JSDF can use her for a Honey Trap, then she wound up actually falling in love with her target, then she got caught, and then both of her only friends that went through the same child soldier shit that she did got killed, and holy shit I just realized that it almost sounds like I'm describing a Gundam series. [lol]

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#6699: Dec 18th 2016 at 4:56:54 AM

You're not the only one who noticed that.

Mana's not going to be a throwaway character in SCE either.

...and I literally just realized that Shamshel's stated weakness is the exact thing Mana uses. I swear I wasn't planning that one ahead of time! surprised

edited 18th Dec '16 1:18:08 PM by amitakartok

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#6700: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:25:21 AM

...do I seriously have to doublepost every time I have something else to say after I posted for people to read it?


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