The Friends on the Other Side/High Council WMG was becoming so AWESOME that it got it's own page that can be found here
Everything's been moved into folders. Two movie crossovers are WMG's between two things, like two movies or "The Disney Animated Canon and Whatever'', as long as it doesn't list every movie in the DAC. Same idea for the three movie crossovers. Massive Multiplayer Crossovers are more than three crossovers, pretty easy, huh? If the movie you want to WMG for doesn't have a folder, please feel free to make one. Currently the movies are in alphabetical order, and it would be nice if (to keep the page clean), that could continue. XD
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Two Movie Crossovers
Rodents, similar names and credos... a fan club? A renegade outpost? Perhaps Monty or Gadget's father were once members. It may even be possible that the Society no longer exists by the time.
Snow White's Prince and the Beast do have names.
We just don't know for sure what they are.
They have to have names. The alternative defies common sense.
- According to computer trivia game the D show, the Beast's real name is Adam.
- I remember reading somewhere that Snow White's prince's name is Ferdinand.
- Lest we forget Professor Padraic Ratigan, from The Great Mouse Detective. His first name wasn't even MENTIONED in the film, though it was revealed in a non-Disney book.
Snow White's Prince Charming and Cinderella's Prince Charming are brothers.
Both "Prince Charmings" look very simmilar, except for different hair colors. They're around the same age. They are both named Charming because that is their last name. Snow White married Ferdinand Charming, and Cinderella married Chad Charming.
- And at Cinderella's wedding, the party banners at the reception probably read "Cindy + Chad."
- The films never identify either prince as being named "Charming". Word of God says only the one from Cinderella is named that.
- Funnily enough, there is a Brazilian book, and later a Live-Action Adaptation of said book, which explicitly stated all of the princes were brothers, making all of the princesses sisters-in-law.
- Now that, I have to find. Anyone know what it's called?
Sentient mice and other rodents who live alongside humans without them realizing it. There's no reason why they can't simply be the same universe in different time periods.
- That explains the short film Ben And Me too!
- Please, don't bother explaining "Ben And Me." Just shudder and try to forget.
- And maybe even Cinderella.
- Don't forget about Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. And The Aristocats, which has a mouse character named Roquefort who dresses like Sherlock Holmes. And thus, by extension, any film that has cat characters, and probably dog characters too. Heck, let's just go with the first WMG on this page and save ourselves some time.
- Roquefort is either Basil's Mycroft or a descendant.
- And Ratatouille. Make it work!
Because it would be funny. Plus, I want to see a Fan Fic
where Belle teaches Ariel how to read/write in "human" english.
- Makes sense. After all "Be Our Guest" is sung in the same tune as "Les Poissons".
Timon was right
In The Princess and the Frog
, Ray becomes a star when he dies
. Thus stars in the Disney universe really are fireflies caught in that big bluish black thing.
While Ray and Evangeline might have both been
fireflies stuck up in the "big bluish black thing", the presence of Mufasa also indicates that Simba was also right, and who's to say that Pumbaa wasn't also right that there's also real stars up there as well.
In the time of Hercules
, Poseidon was a member of Zeus' pantheon on Mount Olympus and an ally in the fight against Hades. At some point after that, he fell in love with the mortal mermaid Athena, and offered to make her a God, but she refused to leave her kingdom. Poseidon chose to make himself mortal, placing his power over the seas in the trident he used in The Little Mermaid
. By the time Athena died, Poseidon/Triton had grown accustomed to living in the seas and stayed behind to raise his daughters. And yes, this means that Ariel and Hercules are cousins.
- Triton is in fact the name of Poseidon's son in Real Li-er, Real Mythology, who is also a god of the sea. In any case, Triton's trident is of course THE trident of Poseidon, and its powers are of divine origin. (It was probably forged by Hephaestus himself.) Nice family heirloom!
- Not to mention in the musical, it is specified that Triton and Ursula are children of Poseidon.
- The series states that Poseidon is his father and Neptune is his grandfather, making Triton and Hercules cousins and Ariel the first cousin-once-removed of Hercules in all technicalities.
Disney Animated Canon takes place in the same universe, which is the original version of the Matrix
The first Matrix was supposed to be a fancy utopia, right? That is why most Disney Animated Canon Tastes Like Diabetes
Disney's Hercules and Gargoyles take place in the same universe.
- When Elisa is put on trial by the New Olympians, a minotaur named Taurus mentions how his ancestor was beaten by a "human hero" with much distaste on the word "hero". In the animated series of Disney's Hercules, Hercules fights with a minotaur in one episode. This minotaur and Taurus (and Proteus impersonating Taurus' father) were all voiced by Michael Dorn.
- The Friends on the Other Side weren't just satisfied with taking Facilier's soul - they decided to curse his descendants as well. Hence why Oscar is the Chew Toy in his own universe.
- Oscar seems to have taken the brunt of the curse, since Suga Mama and Bobby don't appear suffer in anyway. Though Suga Mama's "curse" is having a son she doesn't like or wanted (Oscar), and Bobby's singing not going anywhere (though he doesn't seem to care).
Inspired by a post in an forum at the Internet Movie Database. Lewis
does not know who his mother is, but he's sure she had a good reason for dumping him at the orphanage. The reason is: she did it to keep him safe from his father, Syndrome
. Think about it: both Lewis and Syndrome are geniuses, and then there's the hairdo...
- Except Lewis' mother has a facial structure similar to Franny Robinson.
- Still possible that Syndrome is the father, and his unnamed mom dropped him off there to protect him.
Scar is the Nemean lion
In other words, The Lion King
takes place shortly before Hercules. Why else was Herc wearing Scar?
The deer in Snow White are Bambi
They are the first animated Disney deer, so why not?
First off, the similarities between their◊ dresses◊
. Secondly, they both have similar looks. It's very possible that someone from Belle's family married into the (English) Porter family, or moved to England somewhere along the way.
- Professor Porter did mention an Aunt Isabelle.
Never Land is shown as a bright star with a slightly dimmer star to the lower-left. After Ray gets squished, a cloud moves away from Evangeline's star to show a slightly dimmer star to the lower-left.
Pocahontas did not really marry James Rolfe in Pocahontas II
A time loop made the plot of Pocahontas II moot and transplanted her and Kocoum into modern day Hawaii. Where they married and had two daughters, Nani and Lilo.
Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella are in the same continuity
The king in Cinderella
bears a strong resemblance to king Hubert in Sleeping Beauty
. The princes look rather alike as well (though so does Snow White's prince). It's not entirely clear when Cinderella
takes place, but Sleeping Beauty
is explicitly in the 14th century and Cinderella is clearly more modern than that. It's possible that the prince and king in Cinderella are descended from Hubert/Phillip's line in Sleeping Beauty
, and happen to resemble
their Great*N and Great*N+1 grandfathers respectively. So Cindy becomes distantly related to Aurora by marriage.
- If we assume Cindy's prince is descended from Aurora and Phillip, it might explain a few coincidental similarities between the stories. Apparently rebelliously wanting to marry for love instead of politics (and wanting grandchildren when you are older) runs in the family. And the similar taste in women. And if we then assume that Cinderella is her prince's Perfect Match and destined soulmate, it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities:
- Why is Cinderella tormented by an evil woman who is voiced by Eleanor Audley? Because Lady Tremmaine is the reincarnation of Maleficent, and subconsciously wants revenge. So she seeks to make sure that the descendent of her enemies, Aurora and Phillip, never meets his soulmate Cinderella and makes her life a living hell. Lady Tremainne and Maleficent have very similar mannerisms as well, and both possess animal familars.
- And why does Cinderella suddenly have a Fairy Godmother at this point in her life, when she was certainly miserable many times before? Why, because the Fairies are still looking after Aurora/Phillip's family, and want to ensure a happy ending. At first it looked like the prince would meet Cindy naturally at the ball, but when her dress was unfairly destroyed, supernatural intervention was required.
- Looks like the blue fairy won in the end!
Then that means The Little Mermaid
also takes place in the same continuity because Eric appears to be the 20th or something great grandson of Aurora and Phillip because a picture on the wall which shows.
The Beast is Prince Charming's uncle
Prince Adam was the much-younger brother of the King in Cinderella (initially just the Crown Prince), of course). Since Adam was not the heir, when he came of age, he got set up with a castle and and some land in a rural part of France. A few years passed, and then Adam got cursed and became The Beast. 21 more years passes, and everyone assumes that Prince Adam is dead. Then Belle comes along and lifts the curse. They soon marry and are so caught up in each other and the Beast's new-found humanity that they don't even think of Adam's family for a while. When they finally let the King know that his brother is actually alive, his son has just married Cinderella. Prince Adam and Princess Belle will be frequent visitors to the palace and Belle and Cinderella will commiserate over being commoners thrust into royalty by marriage.
Both Beauty and the Beast and Cinderella are set in 18th century France. Take a look at the dress styles between the two films. There are a few differences, but a LOT of similarities. The styles in Beauty and the Beast are a little older, but that is explained by Belle living in a "poor, provincial town" where the newest styles would take a long
time to reach and Cinderella lives in Paris, where the latest fashion trends would begin
. The styles in the Beast's castle are even older, because they're from 21 years ago, before the curse. If you look at Cinderella's father from the beginning of Cinderella, he's wearing clothes that are very similar to the Beast's ballroom look.
The Beast being a younger son makes sense because otherwise him being cursed would create a national crisis.
Mulan and Cinderella wore the same jade bead necklace.
It would be a tad complicated to explain how it went from the Fa family to the Tremaines...
- Via trade and/or war and pillaging?
The reason Belle is seen in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" is because Belle is reading "The Hunchback of Notre Dame."
Yes, Belle and Quazimodo both live in France, but at very different times. Quazimodo is living in the late Middle Ages, while Belle is in the 1600s or 1700s. So how did Belle get from the Baroque French countryside to Medieval Paris? Her books. Belle is "really" in her own hometown, in her own time period, reading the classic book "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." Though magic, or her own imagination, Belle is literally "sucked into" the book, and sees herself walking through Medieval Paris.
Because both are a pinkish-purplish color, the powder Facilier used to change Naveen is a powdered version of Yzma's old animal potions. Facilier learned of the location of the ruins of Yzma's "secret lab" and dug out her old notes and any remaining residue.
Blond hair continued to run in the family and the family just has a way of attracting magical beings.
Three Movies Crossovers
Prince Phillip, Beast and Eric are the same person: the immortal reincarnation of King Arthur
We first see Prince Phillip as a young boy, betrothed to Princess Aurora. Their fathers are Kings. Although unnamed in the film, obviously Stephen (Phillip's father) is King of England and Hubert (Aurora's father) is King of France. Phillip and Aurora marry after Phillip kills Maleficent and are happy for many years. Unfortunately Phillip is ageless and outlives Aurora. Grief-stricken, he moves to his family's old castle in France and becomes a cold-hearted, selfish jerk until the Enchantress (possibly one of the Three Good Faeries) turns him into the Beast to teach him a lesson. There he meets Belle, falls in love, changes back, and lives happily again until she, too, dies of old age. After that, he decides to move to the coast and enjoy the seafaring life. This is where he meets Ariel, who becomes human in order to be with him, and Eric forges an alliance with Triton and the Mer-People (powerful allies, indeed). The Prince then reveals his true identity as King Arthur, reclaims Excalibur (a.k.a. the Sword of Truth used to kill Maleficent) and reigns wisely and justly with Queen Ariel Happily Ever After
- That's quite some plastic surgery for the Renaissance - not only facial structure, but skin color and eye color? Wow! Jossed by the opening monologue of Beauty and the Beast, where it specifies that the time limit for the Beast to fall in love is "his twenty-first year," often interpreted as his birthday.
- His 21st year could easily be interpreted as being a beast for 21 years. And maybe he's actually regenerating rather than simply being immortal, in a similar fashion as the doctor?
- Also, you've got the fathers mixed up. Stefan is Aurora's father, and Hubert is Phillip's.
The true villains of the Disney Animated Canon are the Heffalumps and Woozles, not Chernabog.
I have always interpreted the Heffalumps and Woozles as horrific Eldritch Abominations
. They terrorize the Disney Animated Canon, possibly taking the form of all of the bizzarre Disney Acid Sequences
. Chernabog is a mere servant of the Heffalumps and Woozles-the one of them that attacks the dimension we know as Real Life
Massive Multiplayer Crossovers
Well, this explains how Stitch
could appear together with all the other characters.
- Kingdom Hearts. Duh.
- What about ''House of Mouse?
- It's an Inn Between the Worlds.
- Isn't it obvious? That takes place in Toon Town in the year 2000!
- But Toon Town has Looney Tunes toons as well- is the House of Mouse segregated or something?
- I'm fairly sure the series says House of Mouse is a "club". If it's a private club, the owners could set whatever membership requirements they want (and thus determine who may eat and watch cartoons there and who may not).
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit IS transparently about racism and segregation, after all.
- What with Enchanted, it follows from this that there exist various portals between that universe and ours.
- That explains how The Genie knows about our pop culture.
- And how the alley cats in The Aristocats know about psychedelic jazz and '60s slang despite living in 1910 Paris.
- And then there was also that Aladdin/Hercules crossover.
- We know about them because the portals were discovered during our early explorations of space. Von Braun told Disney how to access them when they made those space shows back in the 1950s. Man, this WMGing is fun.
- It would logically follow that Disney and Co. set up several of these portals for ordinary people to enter — the theme parks. Not wanting to give his company secrets away, he made these portals imperfect or looped them every few minutes. To us, we see the new universes fold over their time and again, giving a repetitive ghost image of woman whacking pirates with brooms or a rhino goring adventurers. To them, we appear the same way, as a car of ghosts passing the spot time and again. Because the tampering is imperfect, some areas remain stagnant (such as the Jungle Cruise, relatively unchanged since it started) and others are in a constant state of flux (notably, Haunted Mansion, probably given ectoplasmic interference from that particular universe, and the Carousel of Progress, which uses the flux as its main attraction.). Some rides (such as monorails and trains) have flux capacitors on board, explaining how they can go from 1910 middle America, to 1870 western America and 1990s era cartoon land stations in one trip.
- It seems more likely that they see us as either one train of people appearing several times throughout their life/the event, and then reappear later in their time only when we go through the next portal. That, or they don't see us as human at all, just caterpillar-like dense, blurry objects that appear occasionally due to the effect of seeing thousands of ghosts going through the same path at the same time for the same couple of their minutes. That is, thanks to every group passing them at the same time from their perspective, and either erasing all previous groups from the timeline or joining all other groups, past and present.
Every animated series and film takes place in a larger multiverse connected by the prime Disney
The Disney Kingdom consists of all Disney theme parks, or rather, the one you happen to be visiting. (Mickey can't be two places at once, can he?) The Disney Kingdom acts as a conduit between the Disney World (or Disney World Prime) and Earth, although Disney World Prime is a parallel universe very like Earth.
- The Disney World consists of the main Disney characters featured in various television series. Characters and associated characters include Mickey, Donald, Goofy and Pluto; each have their own associates and locales, just as Spiderman tends to stick with Spiderman characters while the X-men stick with X-men characters.
- Alternate continuities have their own separate universe and are not restricted by older continuity. This includes an alternate Junglebook (TaleSpin), an alternate DuckTales (Quack Pack), an alternate Donald Duck where Donald doesn't abandon the idea of being a superhero (Paperinik, PKNA, and PK Reboot), a Carl Barks/Don Rosa-only version of Duckburg ignoring everything else, a dimension where each animated movie is left intact with no sequel or TV series (maybe), and a version where every sequel and TV series counts.
- There is a separate universe where the original animated movie never has a crossover and never cameos anywhere else, and a universe where the characters do cross over. Taking a character from their home dimension creates a separate timeline where they were removed, leaving the original untouched.
- Live-action movies are part of the multiverse, including Song of the South, Pete's Dragon, and any other world where an animated character can interact with a live-action character.
- Live-action adaptations such as 101 Dalmatians have their own dimension but are unaware of their animated counterpart.
- In order for an animated movie character to appear alongside a Disney World character, it must hop dimensions to either Earth or the Disney World, making a crossover appearance such as Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Kingdom Hearts, which are conduit dimensions where two or more universes can connect.
- Toon Town is a dimensional conduit; parts of it exist on Disney World Prime and on Earth in several theme parks, allowing interdimensional travel. It also allows travel from the Warner Bros. universe, Woody Woodpecker, and the Bonkers Earth and Bonkers toon world (which is likely its original world). It may include Toontown Online.
- It's unknown if these dimensions resemble Earth from being a variation of our Earth, or if our Earth is a variation of one or more of them.
- Also, Kim Possible, the Recess kids, Jake Long and The Proud Family all appeared on the TV series Lilo & Stitch.
He possesses the genetic makeup needed to remain young for hundreds, or possibly thousands of years, like Lazarus Long. There's a solid chance that he may just be
- Is Prince Charming a redhead? Lazarus is.
- The Charmings could just be descendants of one another. Ariel most likely married the great grandson (at least) of the Charming from Sleeping Beauty.
- Sleeping Beauty's prince was named Phillip. Snow White's might have been a Charming.
- Has it ever occurred to anybody that "Charming" is a very common name in the Disney Verse, ala Smith? Or that since they are all medieval Europe Monarchs, they're probably all related?
- Word of God says only Cinderella's prince is Prince Charming. Aurora's is Phillip and Ariel's is Eric. Snow White's prince is officially just The Prince (right down to his signature in the parks.) The Beast is unnamed. Some people like to think he's called Adam, but Word of God (as well as the parks) says he has never been named.
- Fanon has it that Snow White prince's name is Ferdinand.
- Also, none of the princes are ever actually identified in the movies as being named "Charming" (unless you count Snow White saying "everyone could see that the prince was charming", but she could've been using the adjective).
The feature films take place in the same universe as Disney's TV cartoons.
Particularly those from The Disney Afternoon
Era. It's a little harder to figure the same in the case of most of the One Saturday Morning Era or Modern Era TV cartoons, due to their different art styles (with the possible exceptions of Recess
and The Proud Family
from the One Saturday Morning Era and Kim Possible
and American Dragon Jake Long
from the Modern Era, due to their crossovers with the Lilo & Stitch
series). But what cements this theory is the mere fact that Captain Hook
once had a swordfight with Don Karnage
on Raw Toonage
fic. For those of you for whom this is tl;dr, this◊
- Most of those characters have unofficial or not-widely-known official names. The Queen from Sleeping Beauty is Leah, the Beast is Adam, the Prince from Snow White is Ferdinand, the Evil Queen is Grimhilde, Cinderella's Prince is literally named Charming.
- Really? Cool~ The "artwork" is all based off of what the fic calls them, though... Um, curious, but where did you get that info? (Is genuinely curious).
- Various Disney books and interviews, which I don't think I'll be able to compile. If you look up the names individually, I'm sure you'll be able to find their sources. The only one I distinctly remember is we get "Leah" from one of Sleeping Beauty's children's books. Adam and Charming are very official, Grimhilde I think is a fan nickname, and Ferdinand is the name I think they called him in development, but it's not the official name (they just say "The Prince").
- Thank you~ That is so cool! XD
- Sleeping Beauty's name is definitely not Leah. Watch the movie. Her name is Aurora. She also goes by Briar Rose.
- Not Sleeping Beauty/Aurora/Briar Rose- her mother. ^_^
Chernabog operates like Chaos from Sailor Moon
and most or all of the Disney villains are just his incarnations
I just thought about this theory last night while reading about Chaos. Since Chernabog looks alot like Chaos AND is a god of darkness, I would assume that most or all of the Disney Villains are his incarnations, planning to rule the worlds in his name. The Horned King, Maleficent, Jafar, Ursula, Queen Grimhilde, Hades, and Oogie Boogie being examples.
All of the male characters sit in the Snuggly Duckling
playing cards, drinking, and wondering when the hell their
movie is coming out.
- Those who have to make a token appearance in his wife's movie has to buy the next round before they leave.
Select characters in Disney/PIXAR subconsciously know judo.
Because why the heck not.
- Simba and Nala, for the Tomoe Nage which gave Nala her edge when she was pinning Simba, and which Simba used to defeat Scar.
- Woody, for the O Goshi which he uses in the Black Friday Reel to throw Buzz out the window.
All Disney characters live in the same continuity, and they're all Canadian.
This film and others prove it.
Disney Princess surnames
The ones who are legitimately born princesses may have no need of a surname. Fa Mulan is one of few to be addressed with her surname. Pocahontas' tribe had no use for surnames, but she probably took on the name "Rolfe" after their marriage. Cinderella's surname would logically be Tremaine. Widows (like her stepmother) usually keep their late husband's name, particularly if it came with property and a title. Lord Tremaine probably adopted Anastasia and Drusilla for them to have the name as well. Merida introduces herself as being of clan DunBroch. Either this or MacFergus could do as a surname. Belle seems to be living in provincial France in the late 17th or early 18th century, (going by fashion and technology) a time and place where surnames were common, but it seems like no one uses them. Tiana is in 1920's USA and her friend Charlotte La Bouff has a surname. Unfortunately, her father wears a dress uniform in his photo, so it's impossible to tell even from that what the family's surname is. Suggestions for Belle and Tiana's names: Tiana Broussard (Very common surname in Louisiana) Belle Delachamp ("of the field" in French). Last names not being used much in 14/15th century France not being common? Please it might not be common for girls, but you do notice that the villain is only refered too by his last name by people who aren't him . ie. "Monsieur Gaston" by the love-stricken girls and its referred again later "Madame Gaston" in Belle reprise. That means Gaston IS his last name.
He is the same color. He has an obsession with being an alley cat. His eyes are green - a combination of Duchess' blue and O'Malley's yellow (yes, I know genetics doesn't work that way, but this is Disney
). And finally, after Thomas jumps on the truck with Marie, he asks Duchess, "Have we met before?" This is taken as humorous and flirtatious, but it could have been serious.
- Or it still could've been flirtatious and Thomas could be trying to get back with her.
Edgar died when he arrived in Timbuktu.
This would lead to an unseen Disney Villain Death
One of Thumper's sisters died during the winter.
In the 1942 original movie, Thumper had five sisters. But in Bambi II
, he only has four. Given that rabbits are prime prey in the forest, it could be possible that one of Thumper's sisters was eaten, killed by Man, or starved during the winter.
This would probably explain Thumper's parents emphasizing family.
Who killed Bambi's Mom?
Gaston is the hunter who killed Bambi's mother
This is Word of Dante
from someone currently at Disney
But judging by the wildlife, Bambi clearly takes place in America, while "Beauty" is clearly in France. Although...perhaps "Beauty" is set in New
France (aka Quebec) when it was still a French colony.
- This is impossible. There have never been such castles as the Beast's anywhere in Canada.
- There is evidence that Bambi is a European deer, not an American one.
- Gaston's residence is not necessarily relevant. For all we know, he could have just taken a vacation to wherever Bambi is set.
- Hmm. Spending a year in the New World, clashing with brutal savages, tracking fearsome new beasts...it certainly sounds like the sort of thing that would appeal to Gaston.
- In the Felix Salton book, Bambi takes place along the Danube river
- "No one kills Bambi's mom like Gaston."
- But what i could tell from the hunter's tent, it looks like this film is set in modern times.
He killed her and was mistaken by the animals to be human.
Deadpool is the hunter that killed Bambi's mother.
Disney owns Marvel now, and so this is a Retcon
is just waiting to happen. Besides, she was in season and tasted good smoked or made into sausage.
Judge Doom is the hunter who killed Bambi's mother
Another theory offered by Disney.
- This was offered in the original script of Who Framed Roger Rabbit: Roger asks Eddie if he knows which of the Toons killed his brother, and Eddie responds, "Probably the same guy who killed Bambi's mom." But it isn't canon because Eddie's comment never made it to the final release and it probably was a Deadpan Snarker line anyway.
- It takes place in a universe where all cartoons are portrayed by immortal actors, seemingly assuming that all cartoon characters are the slapstick kind. So wouldn't that kind of imply that Bambi isn't one of those kind of cartoons and, instead, really happened? I prefer the Gaston theory because of this. The idea of Bambi's mom being killed by something like a paintball gun, except (ironically) filled with paint thinner-like Dip is just... meh.
- Well, he had to test the dip to something. Seeing he's a sadistic monster, killing a poor, cute fawn's mother sounds exatly like something he would do....
Judge Doom and Gaston were having a hunting contest on the day Bambi's mother was killed
Neither of them knows which of them fired the fatal shot that took her down. Considering it's BAMBI'S MOM, they've been accusing each other of the act ever since.
He was aiming for the wabbit, but missed.
- It's a known fact that all Storm Troopers are clones, and that they can't shoot the broad-side of a barn. None of them want to kill another living thing after seeing how killing affected the life of a young deer.
- As with the Deadpool example above, Disney bought Lucasfilm, and Star Wars with it. Hence, this is just begging to be retconned.
The one who really killed Bambi's mother was a Time Lord.
Because It was all part of an elaborate Batman Gambit
on his part.
Becuase for him it was Monday. and more proof.
An ordinary person killed Bambi's mother.
Not any villain, hero, ect, but just some guy who decided to hunt a deer. He likely had no idea of the impact it would have
, plus people have gone hunting for rather ambivalent reasons.
killed Bambi's mother and the Man who supposedly did it is an unrelated character.
Now bare in mind that I have not seen Bambi for years so I might have gotten this wrong (point is, if there's a hole don't be upset with me.) I'm not sure if her remains were found so this could be plausible. So in a way, Connor would have unintentionally put Bambi through the same trauma Charles Lee put him through.
And if this were true, then even if the hunters that burnt the forest survived. Connor would probably have killed them...I doubt he'd have let them get away with starting a forest fire, given his beliefs.
- Because, why not? She left her bow at home in favor of a rifle and there you have it.
The Horned king from The Black Cauldron killed Bambi's mother.
- Because the idea of this somehow happening amuses me.
Beauty and the Beast
Gaston is the Beast's bastard older half-brother and is conspiring to conceal the relation.
Think about it. Gaston is clearly a noted hotshot around the village. He walks around as if he owns it, spends his time hunting, drinking at the tavern, and wenching, and he's well-outfitted. He's the only character you see with a musket- or rather, any firearm apart from Cogsworth's pistol. He's an absolute spoiled brat like the Beast is, and he appears to be a bit older than human!Beast. When the Beast holds him over the rooftops, he seems to recognize Gaston. (It's usually attested to Belle not wanting the Beast to hurt anyone, but it could easily be interpreted as Beast recognizing Gaston too) As a hunter, he would have to know the woods around the village and castle. There is no way that he could not have stumbled upon the castle- and he was able to lead the villagers to it suspiciously easily. Therefore, he was likely concealing its existence. Why? He's somehow related to the Beast- probably an older bastard half-brother. Denied of his true rank and inheritance, he was sent off into some sort of exile while the Beast was lauded as the true heir until the enchantress bespelled him and the castle and the servants. Gaston hears about this and about the time limit, and decides to wait until the Beast was permanently trapped in his monstrous form before rallying his followers and seizing the castle and rule for himself. Maurice's 'ravings' about a castle inhabited by a Beast and Belle's tenure there (and her support of and obvious affection for the Beast) forces him to accelerate his plans while simultaneously giving him a chance to be the hero.
- I always thought that the Beast not hurting gaston was the latter's pleading— probably something the Beast did when he was face to face with the Enchantress. He knows the pain of one's pleas falling on deaf ears, so he shows Gaston mercy. We all know how that turned out, though...
Only the objects with faces in Beauty and the Beast were humans.
Did you SEE "Be Our Guest"? Did you SEE "Human Again"? There is no way in hell that the castle had that many people in it. My guess is that the objects with faces were human and everything else was just brought to life. The movie never specified HOW enchanted the castle was.
They're both macho jerks
who enjoy persecuting the scientifically-minded, wear gloves over bare arms, and have fangirl trios following them around.
The glass slipper is...
...magic. That's why it wouldn't fit anyone else in the kingdom. It magically only fits Cinderella- no matter what
The events in the second movie in the Cinderella verse never happened. Ever.
Well, as long as you look at the third movie as canon. (Spoilers (?) for all three movies).
- Anastasia was in love with the baker, and with the baker at the end of C2.
- Anastasia was not with the baker, nor was she in love with the baker in C3, ergo C2 is false.
- We know that the Baker scene in C2 cannot have happened in C3, because by then Lady Tremaine and Druzella had been punished to live as servants, and would not have had the control over Anastasia's life as they did in C2. Using all of this (and the fact that C3 is a bit better than C2), we can determine that C2 NEVER HAPPENED. (And there was MUCH rejoicing).
- Jossed. In the end credits of Cinderella 3 you can see the baker with Anastasia. So it's still canon.
- I'm not saying that Anastasia doesn't ever get with the Baker- I'm arguing that, if she does, it's a whole new seperate timeline in a world where Cinderella 2 doesn't exist. After all, Anastasia managed to redeem herself at the end, so it's possible that she would not be punished as severly- or maybe she was made to do "community service" by working in a certain bakery... ^_^
- I always just assumed the second movie is set after the third, or at least the last part of it is.
Lady Tremaine was tortured after the film
It is set in a time when torture was legal, right?
It seems to have an insane amount of information on very improbably ranges of subjects, from Martian technology to any given major celestial events in the past 3,000 years - with some funny exceptions (such as not having Dragon entries - 'because Dragons do not exist).
- According to Don Rosa it's the Library of Alexandria in single-book form, which makes little sense considering how much modern-day knowledge it contains ...
- Actually, it's the condensed wisdom of all the greatest libraries of the last 2,000 years- Alexandria was just the first, with each sucessive library passing on their most important information.
- Not if a Time Lord wrote it.
The Pink Elephants represent Nazi Germany
The little elephant getting spirited away by the elephants represents the Jews, and the humanoid made of elephant heads is Hitler. also the camel turning into the snake is Italy.
- Dumbo was made before America entered World War II, so Disney would not have cared enough to bother with WWII symbolism. However, speaking of that scene...
Dumbo and Timothy died of alcohol poisoning after that extreme hallucination.
- I mean, if the alcohol was EXTREEEEME enough to cause that hallucination in the first place, it could happen. Also, Dumbo is able to fly afterward because he's an angel in Heaven. They get to be famous because it's exactly what they both seemed to want. Paradise.
- And it becomes even weirder if you say that the crows (only appearing after the hallucination scene) are the souls of the gentlemen who set up the circus earlier in the film. They finally got worked to death in a literal sense.
The reason that Edward and Nancy from Enchanted
fall in love so fast is because of The Tradition.
is a force that causes people to live out their lives the way that stories tell them to. Giselle and Edward (and really all other Disney Pricessess) fall in love because of The Tradition. However, when Giselle leaves for the 'real world' The Tradition's hold loosens on her until she is no longer in love with Edward. The lingering after affects however, are what cause Giselle to cause the magic by singing effect. By the end of the movie, The Tradition is trying to get a 'Happily Ever After' from anybody, but Giselle is not complying. As a last resort The Tradition takes its hold on Edward (who has not been in the 'real world' as long as Giselle) and has him put the shoe on Nancy ala Cinderella. She doesn't really 'love' him, not at first, but she's willing to go with him because there is nothing left for her. Once they travel through the portal, however, Nancy and Edward fall in love because Edward put the shoe on Nancy's foot.
Think about it: His body type looks a lot like the Genie's. Assuming the former theory is taken into consideration, a lot of the deals he makes and the powers he grants are in line with what Genie could do. Assuming Disney doesn't want Satan running around their universe, he could be an earlier Genie who conned his way into freedom with significantly less noble intentions than Aladdin's Genie.
In the beginning of Hercules
, we saw Zeus seal away the Titans in an underground vault. But Zeus' father, the mad deity, was never mentioned. Zeus sealed the elemental Titans away in a secure place, but for his father, a monster if there ever was one, he created an even more secure prison, deep inside the underworld. Since then, Kronos has grown in power by collecting evil souls, evolving into an all-powerful God of evil for Disney - but still trapped within his son's prison.
Think about it. Horns? Check. Wings? Check. Glowing eyes? Check. Appears at night and becomes dormant during the day? Big check. Made of stone? He's made of a fucking MOUNTAIN.
The Peg Leg Pete in the black and white Steamboat Willie is the one that went to the Cartoon Wasteland.
The original Pete(a bear instead of a cat) tried to escape falling into Limbo, only to end up reduced to the ink that he's made of. When Disney decided to make the first villain, what was left of the original Pete absorbed her when she died. Thus, Chernabog was born. A foaming mess of corrupted ink, Chernabog is the essence of the very first villain the studio made. Many of the powerful Disney villains, specifically movie villains, all derive their dark powers(and sometimes their very existence) from the guy. Chernabog consciously fights against all that is good For the Evulz
, but subconsciously is trying to get back at them for abandoning him. Ironically, placing himself as the Ultimate Evil
has changed the narrative nature of the series to Black and White Morality
and screwing up his plans. He hates the light because of being from the black and white era of cartoon animation and his inky body is sensitive to it. He doesn't speak because it was before speaking movies.
Chernabog is not shown doing anything evil.
Chernabog is female.
Her/his gender is never stated, so why should assume Chernabog is a male?
- The fact that we see his bare chest, which, unlike the prominent breasts of the harpies in the same sequence, is obviously a male's?
The Great Mouse Detective
They are extremely intelligent mice, wearing human-like clothing, and lacked the Bamboo Technology of the typical Mouse World
settings. But most bizarrely, the likes of Basil, Dawson, and Rattigan are near-perfect replicas of identifiable human counterparts. Perhaps during the advances in chemistry and biology (of course, we're assuming a Gaslight Punk setting here), a test group of mice were given ways of having human-like intelligence and personalities and escaped, but many of the Mice and Rats were far more impressionable then others and unconsciously impressed themselves upon certain human figures. Others just adapted themselves from bits and pieces they picked up.
This case is merely a sham concocted by Dawson to cover up Basil's addiction to cocaine and subsequent raving hallucinations about his former mathematics teacher Professor Ratigan. Seriously, a plot to assassinate the queen with a steam-powered robot double built by a toy maker? Please.
In reality, the kidnapping was a much less sensational case which Basil solved very quickly. The movie ended sometime before the end of the scene where Basil is introduced, with the premature solution to Olivia's case omitted. The rest of the film (until the very end when Dawson is invited to live with Basil) is entirely imaginary.
See The Seven-Per-Cent Solution
for more information.
On a related note:
In the entire scene in which he is introduced, Basil is under the influence of cocaine.
He bursts in like a loony, fires a gun into a pile of pillows, compares the bullet with an earlier bullet he had found, and finds that they... do not match. He then crashes into a depressive funk and plays the violin until Dawson's "touch-ups" of the story begin (See above WMG), where he is suddenly lucid. Obviously, he found the bullets and gun off the street and his addled mind linked them to his imaginary nemesis Professor Ratigan. He also probably hallucinated that wicked Villain Song
Ratigan is a mouse/rat hybrid.
He lashes out whenever someone calls him a rat, which he looks like in the movie. However, in the "Basil of Baker Street" books, the professor was actually a mouse. By combining the book and the movie, one can infer that his mother was a mouse; his father, a rat. No wonder Padraic keeps himself alone.
- The moviemakers most probably made him a rat to avoid confusion: he was called Ratigan, and announcing that he's a mouse would only confuse the viewers and not add anything important. But the WMG is good in that Maligned Mixed Marriage, Half-Breed Discrimination and some combination thereof is an appropriate background for a villain.
lassicalMythology is accurate in the world of Hercules
The Muses are just Unreliable Narrators
. And they seem to be in a modern-day museum, so that explains how they picked up R&B gospel and all the current references. They just updated the story because that's what they do — they're basically the goddesses of storytelling, right? And they're only five of them because four wouldn't go along with it, so they kicked them out.
- That would explain why Athens looks like New York and why some characters use Yiddish slang and / or have New York accents - it's obviously a museum in New York.
Unless someone has made a deal with him, Hades is not allowed to directly affect (eg hurt/maim/kill) the living.
Hades is way too smart not to just shoot Hercules.
Sure, he may have done the first attempt with the Hydra for laughs, but after that failed, why didn't Hades just go whack Hercules himself? He certainly has the power. Answer: Unless a person is dead or has made a deal with him, Hades is not allowed to directly hurt them. Hence, why he always has Pain and Panic, Megara, or a Monster of the Week
acting in his place. This may have been a stipulation that was made when Zeus made Hades Lord of the Dead. And seeing how well Hades plays with others, it was probably a good idea.
In relation to the theory above, Classical Mythology
was indeed accurate, but not in the same timeline as the movie. The Hercules of the myths wanted to save his first and most loved wife (Megara) so he asked the Fates to reweave the Tapestry of Fate so that Zeus doesn't know that Hera (or any of the original female gods) is his sister, which saved a lot of grief all across Greece. (You would be pretty inclined to cheat on your wife too if she was your sister; the other gods followed his example.) Sort of like the fortunate equivalent of Disaster Dominoes
or perhaps Matsuribayashi-hen
If Hercules hadn't become mortal at the end of the movie, some bad shit would have gone down.
Hercules swore that he would trade himself for Meg at the climax of the film. However, as The Nostalgia Chick
points out, Hercules doesn't keep his word. If he had gone on to be a Deity in the film, this could have had disastrous consequences. Yeah, let's go with that. However, he never specified to Hades when
he would become "his". When Hercules refuses his God-hood, and becomes mortal, he has consigned himself to dying and entering the Underworld, thus by keeping his word. Eventually.
Hercules replaces Hades as god of the dead
After they locked up the Titans, Hades thought he'd get the position of King of The Gods, due to his skilled intellect and generally classy nature. Zeus got the job, and millennia of upstaging and being mocked by the mortal world has turned him evil.
Mickey and Minnie/Disney Classics
The real reason why Mickey and Minnie aren't married...
...is because Mickey has the hots for all the Princesses.
How did that happen? After visiting Disney World, seeing the Princess floats in the Main Street Parade all pass in order, seeing Mickey's float and hearing this quote (he says it with a flirty tone, too - also, paraphrasing): "Didja see all those princesses?" Then adds quickly, "No one like my Minnie though!"
Why'd he date Minnie for so long? He didn't want to have his fame crash and burn over bestiality charges.
- Mickey wants to marry a princess because of the perks of being royalty. True, he's made millions upon millions in merchandising alone; perhaps he became a money-hungry jerk over the years who wants a crown to be adorned upon his head. Also, what stopped Jessica from marrying Roger Rabbit (even if only he made her laugh) despite being different species?
- The Princesses probably want in on the Mouse's money, too.
- He IS royalty.
- Um... actually, only by marriage - it's implied that Mickey became King through Minnie; she's a Princess in the Land of the Musketeers and probably became Queen. This explains why she stays behind at Disney Castle - it's her castle. She rules it, Mickey is just King Consort or has the crown matrimonial - he can rule after she dies - thus allowing him to go off in the middle of the night like he did.
Mickey and Minnie ARE married.
They just keep up the youthful appearance of being boyfriend and girlfriend to appeal to each new generation.
What with all the various stories and places and time periods they've been in, it's possible to say that they married each other in each one, but we just never got to see it.
They were clearly married in Mickey's Christmas Carol
and Kingdom Hearts
Then after the happy ending, someone pressed the Reset Button
, and poof!
they're back to square one. Donald Duck and Pete are prime suspects here.
And besides, why would a mouse find a human princess attractive anyway
Truth in Television
: The previous voice actor to Mickey was married to the current voice actor of Minnie. They're the only people in the world who know what Mickey and Minnie sound like having sex.
The classic characters (Mickey, Minnie etc) are of a species capable of Regeneration
This explains why their appearances have changed over the decades.
Gastly is biologically similar to the classic characters
His appearance has changed very much over the years.
Mickey Mouse is a robot
Theres a similar theory for Sonic (Dr. Eggman is a Predacon
!), so why not?
The reason the ancestors cannot awaken the Great Stone Dragon is because he already left with Mulan.
In "Mulan," the ancestors try to send the Great Stone Dragon, the family's most powerful guardian spirit, to retrieve Mulan before she can join the Imperial Army disguised as a man. Only when Mushu goes to wake up the Great Stone Dragon, the damn lazy beast won't wake up and the statue accidentally crumbles. Mulan had spent the night before huddled under the statue, and in the morning had left to join the Army. I am of the opinion that the Great Stone Dragon could not be awakened because he wasn't there; instead, he was invisibly watching over and guiding Mulan on her quest to protect her father.
, Mushu was
the spirit of the Great Stone Dragon.
He and the ancestors just got used to him being corporeal and hanging around the other spirits in a weakened state for so long that the original ancestors who knew him as the Great Stone Dragon had all gone to their rest. The more recent ones misunderstood, thinking he was the one to wake the great stone dragon instead of the awakened
great stone dragon.
By then, Mushu had been treated like garbage for so long that he was thinking it was just his fantasy to be the Dragon.
doesn't want to grow up because he's afraid of death.
So, he runs off to Neverland, where he can never grow up. Captain Hook is old and close to death, so he seeks to kill Pan. The infamous crocodile? A symbol of death. Whenever Hook hears the ticking, he imagines his life ticking away as the reptile approaches.
- You got that from the movie Hook.
- Oh, sorry, I didn't think of that. Anyway, this probably applies to the original book and Disney film as well.
- The Fox version suggests that Peter thinks all grownups are greedy, cheerless, and self-absorbed, so he simply decides not to ever be one. Considering the only adults he's ever met are Capt. Hook and his (deceased) brother Patch, it's little wonder he's so prejudiced.
The Captain Hook portrayed in the movie was at some point the blood-thirsty killer he was in the original play.
As Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep has shown, the Kingdom Hearts incarnation of Captain Hook has been in Neverland for at least eleven years now. At some point, Hook most likely was the threatening pirate that J. M. Barrie portrayed him as, but he's been fighting against Peter Pan for so long that it's taken a huge toll on him. Add that in with the threat of the crocodile ever looming in the water, and the result is Hook losing that intimidation and being reduced to a comic villain. Even his own crew sees this, which is why they most likely are planning a mutiny soon.
"Hook" is a unofficial sequel to Disney's Peter Pan
- Similar to Filmation's Happily Ever After and Pinocchio and The Emperor of the Night.
That face! Plus, he never gets punished for tempting and abducting boys and turning them into donkeys
The Coachman is related to Circe
Circe punished sailors for being greedy pigs by turning them into pigs. The Coachman punished boys for making jackasses of themselves by turning them into jackasses.
Pinocchio is a bad liar because he's a golem.
Pinocchio meets the definition of a wood golem
. Some golems are branded with a word for "truth", such as Hebrew אמת (emet
). So deviating from the truth causes him great pain and stress, which sets off his Pinocchio Nose
Figaro is a Nearly Normal Animal
as a kitten. He is Geppetto's cat in Pinocchio and Minnie Mouse's
cat in his other appearances, but sleeps in a bed like a person would and walks on two legs sometimes, so there are a few Civilized Animal
qualities in him. When he becomes an adult cat, he becomes a Funny Animal
similar to the manner that Gideon is.
Monstro is a Leviathan melvilli.
Leviathan melvilli is a prehistoric whale. Monstro can't be a Sperm Whale because they only have teeth on the bottom jaw. The prehistric whale had teeth on the top and bottom jaws like Monstro.
The Princess and the Frog
Ray and Evangeline Were Together In Life
She met an untimely death somewhere along the line, leaving him alone. The bright star we know her as appeared in the sky, and he decided that it was in fact his lost love, treating it as such. He was right.
"The other side" Dr. Facilier refers to is analagous to hell
Which is why deceased Disney villains became his shadow minions.
Dr. Facilier is one of the Awaked
There seems to be an incredible amount of international cooperation among the mice of the Rescue Aid Society.
Also, consider that the Rescue Aid Society is their U.N. equivalent and it apparently has nothing better to do than covertly sort out problems in Human World. Doesn't that suggest that any and all problems in Mouse World must have already been taken care of?
It's all Republican/Conservative propaganda
Given that it was made during the 1970s
, it's softening Britain up for Thatcherism and the US up for Reaganomics. Why else would taxation come in for such opprobrium, and not, say the general feudal system or serfdom as a whole?
- Because people generally don't like having their money taken from them, and that was in the original tale?
- A lot is made of the "He kissed her while she was unconscious!" Values Dissonance. Being a legitimate Nice Guy, I think he didn't want to feel "So fucked up!" by prolonging the act to service his own desires, so he performed the kiss as quickly as possible.
- Think about it, Aurora is just so overwhelmed with the knowledge of her true identity and the fact that she's destined to marry this "prince" that her parents arranged for her the day she was born and something the faeries agree to. Obviously she's not yet aware the prince is Philip, the man she loves and so she's pretty much overwhelmed with stress, depression, and more than likely is looking for escape, anything that can return her to that time she was momentarily happy. Enter Maleficent, whom offers to take Aurora back to that time when she was happy. Aurora agrees to follow whatever Maleficent asks to make it possible and so becomes a willing servant to Maleficent whom lowers her will power and stress to the point she's easy prey for the Will-O-Wisp to drain her will completely. And thus, Aurora allowed herself to be victim to Maleficent.
The three fairies are based on the Neopagan Triple Goddess
- Merryweather is the Maiden - she's noticeably younger than the other two fairies, and more enthusiastic and energetic as a result, with her own ideas about her magic and what she should do with it. Her name also suggests tempestuousness - Merryweather.
- Fauna is the Mother - while she doesn't seem to have any children, she has a distinctly maternal manner with regards to the other two fairies and seems to be the calmest and most collected. Her name - 'Fauna' - is a word used to refer to animal life, but also comes from the Goddess of the earth: Mother Earth.
- Flora is the Crone - she seems to be the oldest of the three and is definitely the wisest. She has a slightly disagreeable manner, but is the most vital to the story - it's her who ultimately enchants Phillip's sword to kill Maleficient. The names of all three fairies together would seem to represent three different aspects of nature.
Sleeping Beauty and Prince Phillip actually met each other once upon a dream
...Exactly What It Says on the Tin
Maleficent - Too Pimpin' To Be Dead
Seriously, though, the only thing left at the bottom of the ravine is her badass costume. There's no sign of her or a body. Presumably, she used what remained of her magic to poof into dust, breaking her spell of the thorns, and went to wander around in a non-material form to regenerate her energy for a shot at revenge in a sequel or live-action remake.
- In a blink-and-you-miss-it moment in the film, Phillip's sword turns black while it's impaled on her cloak. Perhaps she's a Sealed Evil in a Sword now?
The Three Good Fairies were Also the Godmother of the Queen
Queen Leah, if you like. I was thinking how odd it is that she was graced with specific beauty traits her mother already has—Aurora is the spitting image of her mother, so what was the point of magically make them look alike? But maybe Queen Leah was originally gifted with those same traits, and the fairies magically passed them on.
The spinning wheel curse was a Batman Gambit
motivated by a bottom line
It's such a ridiculously specific curse, why wouldn't Maleficent make it something that would be a lot easier for Aurora to come in contact with? "Touches air on her 16th birthday" would be better. Obviously she runs her own yarn business and the people in the kingdom were cutting into her profits. She creates a curse to cause grief to the people she doesn't like while eliminating the competition.
Phillip totally would have missed if Flora hadn't enchanted the sword
And it would have been hilarious. Imagine the Oh, Crap
moment when the sword just sort of falls to the ground with a clunk.
Merryweather's original gift was to be the gift of wisdom
Because a wise blonde haired princess, is not that uncommon
Maleficent somehow survived and caused the Black Plague and the Hundred Years War
Phillip and Aurora both say that it is the fourteenth century. It is plausible that the movie is set just before the plague and the Hundred Years war. Phillip is the name of the king of France at the time the war began. Stefan is also a French name, further evidence the movie may be set in France. Maleficent probably caused both the plague and the war to get revenge on Phillip and Aurora. Except I don't think French King's sons-in-laws can get the throne. Only sons. Prince Phillip II was the son of King Louis XVII
Maleficent and the Three Good Fairies represent a balance between good and evil
A friend of mine pointed this out. All four fairies seem to be locked into a battle/rivalry of sorts. (("We'll turn her into a flower!" "Until Maleficent sends a frost." "She always destroys your nicest flowers...")). But what seems strange is why are there three good fairies, and then just Maleficent? Simple. Evil stands on its own and kicks its rivals down until it's the only one on top. It's selfish and isolated. Good befriends, loves, and has a sense of unity, and Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather only ever succeed when they work together.
With Maleficent out of the picture, it might seem that the balance has shifted, but as another troper pointed out, it's possible that she's just hiding
, since we only saw a cloak. Either that, or something will spawn to replace her.
The fairies are all actually witches: Maleficent is a Slytherin Dark Arts practitioner, and perhaps an early matriarch of the Malfoy, Lestrange, or Black clan (or all three). Fauna is obviously a Hufflepuff, Flora is a Ravenclaw, and Merryweather a Gryffindor (I know Flora wears red and Merry wears blue, but Flora acts more like a Ravenclaw and Merry acts more like a Gryffindor).
Maleficent picked on Merryweather in school
It seems obvious doesn't it?
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
A Not Brand Ecch
comic book mocked this:
- Pride=Doc (has glasses)
- Envy=Dopey (no beard)
- Greed=Happy (don't know)
- Wrath (labelled as "Hatred")=Grumpy
- Gluttony (labelled as "Selfishness")=Sneezy (don't know)
- Sloth (labelled as "Laziness")=Sleepy
- Lust=Bashful (don't know)
Buzz Lightyear and the toy line he comes from is malfunctioning.
This was the original plotline for the third movie, before it got canned, but it makes the most sense given what we know of how the Buzz Lightyear toy line acts; every one of them believes themselves to be the
characters they're based on, and have no recollection or notion of being a toy at all. None of the other, functioning toys we've seen in the first two movies are like this, not even the horrific monstrosities of Sid's; obviously, they all started out as "perfect", unflawed toys. It's possible that, if a toy line suffers from a design flaw that forces a recall (like what Buzz's line would've done in the original script), those flaws would affect the toys' perceptions of their world and themselves, warping their self-image and their personality unless the flaw can be corrected (if it can
- Or, all franchise toys start out believing they are that fictional character, but eventually grow out of it. Woody's so old he's forgotten where he came from, and more generic toys don't have much backstory to bother with. Zurg supports this, and the Barbies are acting out the personality they've been given, it just doesn't come up very often because of the suspicious absence of franchise toys in Andy's room.
- Rex asked what company Buzz was from and seemed to know a lot about the company that made him.
- Which is actually pretty weird considering the references to Hasbro and Mattel toys in the two movies. One would think we'd see toys of Optimus Prime or Duke.
Woody is a legacy toy.
In the first movie, it's said that Woody and Andy go back a long time, and has been a favorite. In the second film, Woods is revealed to be a family treasure and from the '50's at least, and there was that boy in Woody's Roundup who looked almost exactly like Andy, perhaps that was Andy's dad who was the original owner of the doll we see in the films. Perhaps changing of ownership will erase a toy's memory after a while.
- I always thought the boy in Woody's Roundup was actually all in Woody's mind while he was watching the episode. After all, he had already watched all the existing episodes of the show earlier in the movie and hadn't noticed this. I thought it was the moment where he realises what is at stake if he were to go to the Toy Museum, and he "hallucinated" Andy in the Roundup episode interacting with the marionette Woody - note his look of surprise!
Toy Story has two Wild Mass Guessing pages.
Word of God
is Will and Elizabeth Turner's distant descendant
Not much evidence to suggest this, but both Jim and Will are fairly similar in background; generally poor, living in a small town that gets attacked by pirates searching for a Plot Coupon
, and goes on a voyage with pure motivations (Will to save Elizabeth and Jim to find money to rebuild his mother's inn) but gets caught up in a web of piracy and treachery. Luckily for Jim, though, he managed to get himself out.
The entire crew of the Legacy
were reincarnated from the crew of the Hispaniola
The souls of those involved with the voyage of the Hispaniola have unwittingly been cursed to be reincarnated over many years and alternate universes
since the events that took place in the novel, being forced to repeat the experience of in several different lifetimes "until the Sea Cook and Cabin Boy can exchange a last look with a true smile on their faces, feeling a fatherly and forgiving love."
It's not known why they have to repeat the adventure so many times; most likely punishment on the original Silver for his treachery
, or Disproportionate Retribution
on the original Jim for remembering his great adventure with such bitterness. The many different repetitions of this story have been told through the several adaptations of Treasure Island.
The curse was broken at the end of Treasure Planet; with that goodbye between Jim and Silver? Not surprising.
That's why their starships use sails. Also, Morph is somehow related to the Founders.
Winnie The Pooh
Christopher Robin is not a child.
He is an adult in a mental hospital, heavily sedated and desperately trying to relive the brighter days of his childhood.
- Not in a mental ward, but the now aged Christopher Milne is recalling his adventures with his toys as he lies dying in hospital, as depicted in Ian Chachere's Good Night, Billy Moon. Excuse me, there's just something in my eye...
The Hundred Acre Wood is the collective unconscious of several mental patients.
Following the theory above, Christopher Robin and his toys are all mental projections of several insane individuals, all with many different problems, listed in detail here.
Come on, it's so obvious. He can bounce as high as he wants, breaking several
laws of gravity and physics while he's at it; he is the the only character who knows he's in a cartoon/book/whatever
; and he can talk to the reader/viewer directly
. His main occupation in life is to barge in and cause chaos, especially around Rabbit, before bounding away cheerfully. Watch this episode
. How do we know that he didn't set Rabbit up every time?
And the getting-sucked-down-the-plug thing
Also, it's been mentioned several times that he can't read human writing, even if Christopher Robin, the most literate character in the Hundred Acre Wood
has written it. It's because he's got the speech but not the written words. This explains why, in the original books, he can't write his own name when even Pooh makes a decent attempt.
What's his motive?
Well, perhaps he feeds off negative energy caused by disrupting harmony and order, which explains why he does not like honey
. The Hundred-Acre-Wood is full of the stuff, and thus he's come down basically to keep fed. His appearance as a stuffed tiger and nature as the Big Friendly Dog
of the gang could be a way of masking his true intentions
, keeping him safe from harm
while he builds strength for some unnamable purpose. We just haven't figured out what.
He could be from Chaosrealm
, or he could be Lovecraftian
in nature; that's not the point. If you chose to take this seriously, then the phrase "Everyone's scared of Tiggers" from Winnie The Pooh and The Blustery Day
sounds instantly a lot more frightening
- This theory is totally awesome. Also, the "Very Tigger Movie," or whatever it's called, has a new frightening implication — THERE ARE OTHER TIGGERS OUT THERE.
- That is very interesting, indeed - Tigger claims to be "The Only One", but perhaps he was sent down to the physical realm as a baby, away from his many many hundreds of relatives. Therefore, he's grown up with no knowledge of his true family. When he does meet them, there's going to be hell to pay. Also, it doesn't help that he appears to have a lot of female cousins...
- Also, notice how he's the one that first tells Pooh about Heffalumps and Woozles in the Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day segment of the original film, which causes Pooh to have a nightmare about them, and then they turn out to be real in the series and later films. Was Tigger deliberately trying to create a path into Hundred Acre Wood through for them through Pooh's dreams because he knew some of them weren't nice and that Pooh and company would be scared of them? Perhaps the heffalumps and woozles are Eldritch Abominations as well?
Winnie the Pooh is secretly an impossibly hideous demon-monster who feeds on children through the televison and seeks to cause everyone in the world misery For the Evulz
- This is why they are wasting the next "traditional animation year" (since Disney is now going to make a movie in traditional animation once every two years) on another Winnie the Pooh movie instead of something new.
- Don't believe me? Just ask Alan Alexander Milne, the original creator of the Winnie the Pooh stories, and ask his poor son Christopher Robin, who had to live with that name his whole life. Pooh took form in Milne's imagination from a possessed teddy bear his son owned. If you don't believe that teddy bears can be evil or possessed, watch Toy Story 3. Anyway, he forced her to write stories about him and sell them to Disney, therefore becoming her most notable work and simply overshadowing all her other work (He then devoured them, which is what gives him his great power). He doesn't eat "honey," by the way, the jars that he eats out of are usually labeled "hunny." "Hunny" is an acronym for "Humans are Under Nazism Now, Yay!!" The ingredients of this "hunny" are unknown but feared nonetheless. But beware! Now that you know this, he will be looking for you, as he does all of usssssfsgyeyuegiyuuguygbf
- Is this a legitimate WMG, or just bitterness that Disney is trying to reboot one of their cash cows to the public?
- I'm calling this Jossed since it is bitterness about the newer film, which is good by the way.
Disney's animated canon will enter a second Dork Age
where, instead of constantly cranking out Direct-to-Video
sequels of dubious quality, they incessantly use their classic Animated Canon characters in Disney Junior preschool edutainment shows of equally dubious quality.
First Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
, then My Friends Tigger And Pooh
, then Jake And The Neverland Pirates
, and now the upcoming 7D
and Sofia the First
... Sure John Lasseter may have temporarily saved Disney's loved characters by putting an end to the Direct-to-Video
cheapquels... but at roughly the same time, the Disney execs noticed that little kids were way more interested in High School Musical
and Hannah Montana
than their classic characters. So they decided to put Mickey Mouse
in a Playhouse Disney ripoff of Dora the Explorer
to try and find a new audience for their mascot. It was popular with its intended audience, so they later did the same thing to Winnie-the-Pooh
and Peter Pan
. Undoubtedly, those are going to make a profit too, so they'll keep churning out the kiddie shows and we'll get insipid crap like Simba's Jungle Adventures
, Baby Herkie's Adventures on Mount Olympusnote
, Ariel's Mermaid School
, Daisy the Littlest Wonderland Flower
, The Black Cauldron Babies
, well you get the picture. Prepare to have your childhoods smashed to smithereens. (Oh wait, they'll probably also add Max Goof
to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
and stuff like that along the way.)
Stuff like Marvel
, Star Wars
and The Muppets
will probably be sparednote
- You are blowing the Disney Junior stuff way out of proportion, but I'm not sure whether or not to consider this jossed.  is not all that bad, and of the princesses that have been shown so far, none of their characters have been ruined at all. And in case you forgot, Hercules and The Little Mermaid both have already had their own cartoons. I doubt any Disney executive would allow any of that other stuff to show up on TV at all, especially since The Black Cauldron is basically a cult movie and not one of Disney's most advertised of their animated movies.
The theory has been put forth before. They thought the audience would be more accepting of the change if they produced a real bomb of a movie. It worked in this case.
- The 2011 Winnie the Pooh film has been accused of being a ploy like this too; being released the same summer as a Harry Potter movie and the franchise itself having been marketed to toddlers for decades almost completely assured its failure at the box office, giving Disney a good excuse to blame traditional animation for its failure again and stop producing it.