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A trans man getting pregnant is still a man being pregnant; it's just that his bodily anatomy allows for pregnancy in the real world while a cis man would not be able to do so (only in speculative fiction).

No it not it something completely different that would be tpreg. Mpreg is a man getting pregnant not a transman getting pregnant. And men can't get pregnant if men could they would have the equipment to.

…Are you insinuating that transgender men are not men?

So would you say fpreg and mpreg are the same then

A man being trans is often used to explain mpreg (especially in fanfics with Adaptational Gender Identity), I don't see why it's any difference.

If a guy's pregnant, the trope more or less comes across the same way whether it's because he's trans, or because magic or science fiction's involved.

And again a transman getting pregnant is tpreg vs if a man getting pregnant is mpreg they're aren't the same thing

…Again, you are insinuating that transgender men are not men.

And again I ask would you saying that fpreg and mpreg are the same

I literally never said that.

Well if you wanted to same tpreg and mpreg are the same then that open the floodgates says that's mpreg and fpreg are the same. Tpreg is a third branch of pregnancy and is different then mpreg just like fpreg is different from mpreg

I never claimed the two are the same. Mpreg as a trope is as simple as that: a man getting or being pregnant. A man being AFAB transgender and having the equipment to get pregnant is a perfectly reasonable and realistic explanation for a man getting pregnant.

For instances of a cisgender, AMAB man being pregnant, you are correct in that it would be biologically extremely unlikely (unless, of course, you count seahorses) and stories where such an occurrence happens would likely be speculative fiction. It's true that the trope was probably not written with trans men in mind, but trans men are still men. The fact remains that no one cares how a man got pregnant here, whether by realistic or speculative means, the trope simply stipulates that a man is pregnant and with child.

Unless, of course, you would like to take this to the TRS and try to get their approval to launch your own trope about specifically trans men (or AFAB characters under the trans umbrella in general) getting pregnant, while restricting this page for AMAB characters getting pregnant through supernatural means. Nothing is stopping you from doing that (except the mods themselves TBH).

I known you didn't claim that mpreg and fpreg are the same I asked you if you would say yes or no to would you they are same since you keep saying that's mpreg and tpreg are the same

Indeed, and there's nothing different enough about the man being intersex or trans that would entail a "tpreg" trope to be split from this.

Plus trying to suggest a binary trans person is some sort of third gendered thing's a bit...yeah. No.

(speaking without my mod hat, to be clear)

So would you say a non binary person who gets pregnant would be mpreg

I never said transgender people are a third gender that's what you are saying I said

Gender being what it is, and this covering such a wide swath of examples, I fail to see how a transman being pregnant would be more narratively distinct than, say, a male impregnated by magic, or Artistic License – Medicine, or Bizarre Alien Biology.

Collectively, they're all the same thing: justifications for a male character to be pregnant.

I can somewhat understand a point about distinction here: the trope isn't horribly clear whether it's about gender or biological sex^note Personally, I'd say it's more about gender since it's about the juxtaposition of arguably the most biologically feminine act possible being performed by someone identified as male, and given that Bizarre Alien Biology examples count, it's not about what one would "expect" biologically since the aliens know what's up with them. But... the arguments being presented here aren't exactly convincing and, intentional or not, really do mimic general transphobic arguments in general. "then that open the floodgates says that's mpreg and fpreg are the same" sounds uncomfortably close to "I'm just saying that sex is real" tranphobic dogwhistles.

How am I being transphobic by saying tpreg is different than mpreg

I do not believe Larkmarn is saying you're being transphobic, just that the arguments you're making are uncomfortably close to it (and may give someone the impression you are).

Perhaps you could explain what "tpreg" even is, as I've not encountered the term outside this thread.

That said, I think they've hit the nail on the head: If masc presenting aliens who can naturally become pregnant count, then a transmasc person should too.

(again, mod hat off, for now)

Tpreg is transgender pregnancy But that would still be tpreg which is another branch of pregnancy just like if a non binary person who gets pregnant would be another branch of pregnancy and I'm trying to understand why a lot of people would say no they're mpreg Plus I'm not talking about fiction I'm talking about real life

I'm not sure I understand, though? Are you saying a trans man can't be an example of this trope because trans folk must be arbitrarily sectioned off? What's so specific about a trans person being pregnant vs. a cisgender person?

Furthermore, while tpreg is a new term for me, mpreg is a term that I've only ever seen in the context of fiction (specifically fanfic genres). I'm not sure what you mean by "talking about real life".

(mod hat. off. etc)

^^ Because people are having issue with the claim that it's "another branch" of pregnancy. A transgender male character is still a male, thus still mpreg. It still falls under this existing "branch."

It would be like talking about "gpreg" being "another branch of pregnancy where a gay character gets pregnant."

Bisected 8 no I'm not saying that trans folk aren't people or a new gender they can be pregnant but it different because transmen have the equipment being born a female and transiting in to males vs mpreg is a man born a man who somehow get pregnant

Larkmarn and mpreg isn't another branch of pregnancy

Here's my thinking. The trope isn't just about biological incompatibility, though that is usually the primary source of comedy, but also the dissonance that comes from being a man and being pregnant — something very present in many works about trans men, usually in the form of Trans Tribulations.

I would, however, exclude examples of characters who became pregnant and then identified as trans later, but if they became pregnant while out as a man, I think that would count.

Yes that's a perfect example

I added a mention in the description about transgender characters but I'm unsure if it's necessary/possible to work it into the description without interrupting the flow.

Biological isn't the correct word either, because a trans man would be biologically male ("biological male", when it isn't being used as a transphobic dogwhistle at least, means more than "genitals").

I'd debate whether or not a woman without a uterus (trans or not) would count for this trope, since at its core, it's "someone perceived as a man getting pregnant". While a perisex trans woman getting pregnant without the aid of magic or technology would be impossible (at least for now), it's unlikely to be perceived as this trope (and declaring it this trope would carry Unfortunate Implications).

Maybe 'cismen and some transmen' then? Some of the examples on this page are of transmen getting pregnant (and the fanfic part mentions making the character a transman is one of the ways authors get a Mister Seahorse) so I think it at least should be mentioned that trans people can be examples (or should all the examples with transmen be deleted?).

I think I'd agree that a man getting pregnant because he's trans would count.

Perhaps just "man" (with trans men getting a specific mention somewhere in the description would be easiest)?

In fact, while we're at it, there seems to be a fair bit of rambling about the details of fanfics in the description that replicates a lot of the "justified if" paragraph below (but only for fanfic).

I think man would fit too. Maybe incorporate the points about fanfics into the description on the Mister Seahorse Fan Works page (wont let me make a link to a fan works page for some reason) and leave behind a sentence on this page that says 'especially common in fanfic. See the fanfic page for details' or something to that effect.

Links on discussion pages are broken, because quote marks and slashes seem to get the markup all confuzzled for some reason.

Isn't a trans man one who is assigned female, but identifies as male?

Pulled it. If it really is an example, discuss here before putting back.

• Features in more Ranma One Half fanfic than one can shake a stick at (as one might expect from the possibility actually being mentioned in the series itself) including one where a self-impregnating Ranma gives birth to thirty-six kids.
  • If this is referring to Cheaper By The Dozen, then Ranma has only birthed 24 children (with a 25th on the way). That said, there truly are a ridiculous number of 'pregnant Ranma' fanfics, most of which have the child be the result of Ranma being raped.
    • As if this isn't bad enough, there's a project in development on youtube to make a fanmovie based on this. It's even called "Ranma's Declaration of Motherhood", as a Shout-Out to the Identity Amnesia episode "Ranma's Declaration of Womanhood", where Ranma got hit on the head and started wanting to actually be a girl.
  • RumikoTakahashi's official stance is "I don't want to think about that and you shouldn't either.".