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Jan 16th 2019 at 8:01:33 AM •••

Re: the cisgender/biological debate.

I don\'t think \'cisgender\' is the correct word in this scenario since trans people can be examples of Mister Seahorse under certain circumstances. If a pre-op transwoman (male genitalia) were to get pregnant then it would be an example of this trope, same with a post-op transman (the uterus and ovaries are removed so people absolutely would be surprised if a transman got pregnant). The trope would also have certain implications not seen with cismen if done with a trans individual (eg. a transwoman might respond positively to the pregnancy, whereas a pregnancy in a transman would probably cause dysphoria). If the term \'biological male\' is too vague then we could say that the trope is where characters with male sex organs get pregnant (or worded better than that).

Edited by Clanger00 Hide/Show Replies
Jan 16th 2019 at 9:15:29 AM •••

Biological isn\'t the correct word either, because a trans man would be biologically male (\"biological male\", when it isn\'t being used as a transphobic dogwhistle at least, means more than \"genitals\").

I\'d debate whether or not a woman without a uterus (trans or not) would count for this trope, since at its core, it\'s \"someone perceived as a man getting pregnant\". While a perisex trans woman getting pregnant without the aid of magic or technology would be impossible (at least for now), it\'s unlikely to be perceived as this trope (and declaring it this trope would carry Unfortunate Implications).

Jan 16th 2019 at 12:19:44 PM •••

Maybe \'cismen and some transmen\' then? Some of the examples on this page are of transmen getting pregnant (and the fanfic part mentions making the character a transman is one of the ways authors get a Mister Seahorse) so I think it at least should be mentioned that trans people can be examples (or should all the examples with transmen be deleted?).

Jan 16th 2019 at 1:17:00 PM •••

I think I\'d agree that a man getting pregnant because he\'s trans would count.

Perhaps just \"man\" (with trans men getting a specific mention somewhere in the description would be easiest)?

Jan 16th 2019 at 1:23:04 PM •••

In fact, while we\'re at it, there seems to be a fair bit of rambling about the details of fanfics in the description that replicates a lot of the \"justified if\" paragraph below (but only for fanfic).

Jan 16th 2019 at 1:33:11 PM •••

I think man would fit too. Maybe incorporate the points about fanfics into the description on the Mister Seahorse Fan Works page (wont let me make a link to a fan works page for some reason) and leave behind a sentence on this page that says \'especially common in fanfic. See the fanfic page for details\' or something to that effect.

Edited by Clanger00
Jan 17th 2019 at 5:20:00 AM •••

Links on discussion pages are broken, because quote marks and slashes seem to get the markup all confuzzled for some reason.

Jan 14th 2019 at 1:09:12 AM •••

Does pregnancy in trans men count as a real life example?

EDIT: It turns out they don\'t, judging by the page history. Silly me.

Edited by MrMediaGuy2
Jan 30th 2018 at 7:14:53 AM •••

Mister Seahorse, bring me a dream
Make him a darling that I've ever seen
Give him that joy that I cannot bring him
Make him with child so he'll know what I'm feelin'.

Seahorse, we're so alone
We've got no baby to name our own
Please turn on your magic beans
Mister Seahorse, bring me a dream.

Taken from; https://comments.deviantart.com/1/341862178/2853597104

Edited by alnair20aug93
Apr 22nd 2015 at 1:35:42 PM •••

I know that this isn't about the trope itself, but even though the article points out the thing about seahorse reproduction, I think there's still a common misconception about it.

Male seahorses don't actually get pregnant nor actually give childbirth, because the pouch doesn't seem to be an actual organ like how a womb is, even though the seahorse can try to make it work similarly for temperature control and collecting its sperm into it for fertilization. It isn't any different from how marsupials carry their young in their pouches, with the only difference being eggs instead of live-young, but the seahorse offsprings still aren't attached to their father even after they hatch and eventually leave the pouch. So why do people keep acting as if it's actual pregnancy and childbirth when it isn't?

Edited by Rahkshi500
Jul 25th 2013 at 8:27:46 PM •••

Also apepars in the video game Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim. The in-game descriptions, put together, tell the story of the creation of Ardania, the land in which the game takes palce. The story can be summarised by this: "At first, there was only Krolm, the God of Destruction. He made Ardania and got pregnant out of nowhere. His offspring started an incestual relationship and his grandchildren assumed God powers and played their worshippers against each-other till they got bored. They are stll bored."

May 24th 2012 at 12:28:44 AM •••

What about the reverse of this? Cloning does now make a Female being a biological Father very possible, an Embryo can be made from Any cell and function a the Sperm.

Apr 22nd 2012 at 12:51:00 AM •••

Does Ranma really belong here? He's a girl in body and biology, unless you're talking about a "cure gone wrong" fic or one where he specifically changes back and keeps the baby. Isn't this trope about pregnancy in a male BODY?

Edited by MicoolTNT Hide/Show Replies
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Apr 22nd 2012 at 6:54:47 AM •••

Pulled it. If it really is an example, discuss here before putting back.

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