Well, I would do that, but I just realised I don't actually know how to revert pages to an earlier version. Guess I got ahead of myself a bit by saying that I'll fix the page, when in reality I've never even dealt with an edit this big before.
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Ask one of the mods in ATT, linking back to here and the edit history.
Well, I tried that, and it looks like my request to revert the page has fallen on deaf ears. I guess I'll just have to try and fix the page manually.
Just keep bumping it and hope for the best. The ATT section has had issues with the mods being too busy to check every query as of late.
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I bumped your post for you, as well as provided a bunch of courtesy links back to this page that you're normally supposed to include in ATT queries.
Ah, thanks, but you might want to cancel the request. I actually managed to fix the page myself, so I don't want all that work to be undone.
Removed from main page, as there is a cleanup effort on one of the pages linked here underway and I am not sure what to do with this entry:
- The Jester: Mike's avatar, which features a white mask and a jester hat which is also used to conceal his face in some photographs.
Hitori
Due to recent events, should we scrub Gee PM from the characters page or rewrite it?
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Keep it. We don't Unperson people just because they're controversial. Past members are past members.
For more discussion on why we shouldn't cut it, see this ATT:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=98880&type=att
Removed from main page, as there is a cleanup effort on one of the pages linked here underway and I am not sure what to do with this entry:
- Instant Awesome Just Add Dragons: His profile pictures on Twitch, Twitter, and YouTube almost always feature dragons, and he's frequently associated with them in fanart as well.
Removed from main page, as there is a cleanup effort underway and I am not sure what to do with this entry:
- Internet Tough Guy: He's an inflammatory dudebro who claims to be a former marine and called Outlaw's mom a dick.
Probably just Internet Jerk.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Imakuni's 12-year-old boy voice and Vinny's "Binyot" voice are coming across as full-fledged characters instead of just one-off impressions, particularly because the latter comes across as sort of an anti-Tucker (in that Tucker accepts everything Vinny does, while this character continually questions Vinny's taste in games). I was thinking they should be added to the in-universe section, but I don't know if either has a name.
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Thought of a couple more in-universe characters about half a year later, specifically Pokémon Trainer Vine (Vinny's Pokémon Moon character) and Mayor Risa (Imakuni's Animal Crossing: New Leaf character); I'm pretty sure Vinny's commentary about the former went further than complaining about his expensive shoes, while the latter shares Mayor Vine's distinction of being quite different from a lot of Animal Crossing player characters, particularly because of her status as a dictator. Sadly, I didn't think to add much about the former when watching those streams, and the latter appears in a buttload of streams and only one highlight video (Southbird's crossover video), and the fact that the game technically never ends means that Archive Panic is strong with those streams, but thanks to Boxtar it isn't impossible to document tropes from those streams.
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Sorry if this is late by several years, but considering the frequency with how often this Binyot/RP Guy/Chat amalgamation comes up, it's probably worth documenting as a character of some form. Granted, I've only started watching in 2020 and much of my experience with prior streams is through compilations that may be leaving a lot of contextual moments out.
The only possible issue is that from what I can tell it's a combination of two separate "voices", one of which is used for other purposes (Stylistic Suck RP sex jokes), and one of which is just him addressing Chat directly (thus involving what are ultimately real individuals, even if he deliberately strawmanning them into a single entity for Humor Mode).
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That guy who ripped all enemies from a Lufia game
Should Cletus and Nobunga be added in as In-Universe characters, or as memes? Or is there just not enough material to work with in regards to these two?
Oh, Lufia franchise, my beloved.
I see that a few entries on the main page are referring to "Tame", who apparently was once a streamer, going by something on the Trivia page. Does anyone know more about him, and does he deserve an entry here?
Also, does GPM deserve a section under "Affiliates"? He seems to be tied pretty closely to Vinesauce, but I'm not sure if he's officially a part of it in some way. Either way, Super Mario Galaxy Repainted may be enough to give him some sort of mention.
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The GPM thing is a moot point now that he's a Vinesauce streamer, but it's probably worth looking into who Tame is. I've only known about Vinesauce since two years ago, so people like Tame and Stupidface are unfamiliar to me.
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GPM's entry still needs fleshing out, but I don't know too much about him since I discovered him only after the Repainted. I mentioned finding out where Buff Riku came from (apparently it started in Games Repainted), but maybe also figure out how Apple Dave became his mascot.
Somebody added Mike, so there's that. I also found a thread on Tame, so that could be useful. I don't know about Stupidface, and one of the first links for when I search "Vinesauce Stupidface" is from TV Tropes, so that might be difficult.
Also, we need more for Dem. I mostly added him because I wanted to add Reg (who also needs some work), and I don't know much about him.
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All I know about Stupidface is that he was a guest streamer at some point. I'm pretty sure he's who's being referred to in the main page's Determinator entry about a guest streamer spending hours fighting Ridley in Metroid: Zero Mission, but I'm not positive.
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I know this thread is old, but I found this when lurking the Vinesauce Subreddit out of boredom after hearing Vinny refer to it as sort of a spiritual successor to the horribly broken forum:
It has a list of apparently every former non-guest streamer (KY replied saying that he considers it to be accurate), and Tame himself posted in it.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I've been thinking for a while that the fact that we have sections for Vappy and Southbird means that Boxtar should have a section as well, as he manages Imakuni's full stream channel. The problem is that I don't know a whole lot about him other than that he does that and draws art for the streams, so I don't want to add a section myself because it would just end up being devoid of examples.
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I figured I'd use an existing thread to ask about whether Piergaming would be worth adding to the associates section. I don't know if he's a mod and the only official thing I know he did was act as the guest editor for one of Vinny's videos, but his YouTube channel has an archive of streams Joel did before he had a channel for full streams and he kept backups of videos from Joel's main channel in 2015.
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Huhu! Pier himself here. Not wanting to be all selfish here, but personally I wouldn't mind if you or any other troper included me. That being said though, I'm not a mod nor will I ever be one. It's just a personal decision of mine (I just can't keep a cool head) and so far I haven't been approached about it either. Really I'm just a normal viewer who submits art once in a while and does a few edits here and there for my private account / the official channel, not the only one at that.
I'd say just hold off on it for now until other things develop and concentrate on the other parts of the Vinesauce TV Tropes pages. :)
I'm thinking we should do a comb of the page and delete some of the more "personal" info about the streamers. The whole "troping real people" thing is something that I'm a bit iffy about, and some friends bringing it up also felt that it got weird at times (the specific example was Bi The Way under GPM's entry). The streamers probably don't care, but it might be less creepy if cut the personal info out and limit it to mostly just stuff from the streams themselves.
I'm probably going to do it anyway, but I wanted to put a note in the discussion just in case.
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Bi The Way explicitly says it doesn't allow real-life examples. Cutting tropes in the No Real Life Examples, Please! index sounds like a good idea, aside from either streamer-made characters or fictionalized/in-game versions of the streamers (such as Back from the Dead as applied to GPM's Vinewrestle character, which is in the "impossible in real life" section of the index).
Edit: I went ahead and deleted the commented-out examples and a few others. I also commented out some unrelated Zero Context Examples.
Edit 2: I combed through the frequent guests section. I missed it last night because I was tired and it comes right after the section for in-universe characters (for which these sorts of tropes wouldn't be real-life examples) instead of being grouped with the other entries for real people.
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OK, so more examples like what this thread refers to were added and I deleted them. Some of them were also in the No Real Life Examples, Please! index.
Edit: I thought I'd refer to the second post (the one from a moderator) in this forum thread, as it discusses the site's policy regarding what this thread is discussing:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14696412570A33074000&page=1
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added a comment to GPM's section telling people not to go overboard when referring to his suspension. Most of these sorts of reactions are on other sites and not this one, but after that sort of thing happened in response to what happened on Joel's YouTube channel in 2015 I felt that a note might come in handy in the future.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
So, the meme page and the Informed Deformity entry for Vinny on the character page give differing origins for jokes about Vinny's hands being small. The meme page says it's because a viewer misheard something Jen said (it doesn't say what stream that's from, or if it's still possible to see it, since Jen doesn't archive her streams), while this page says it's because of a picture of Vinny holding a large guitar that makes his hands look small by comparison. Regardless of which one came first, the guitar picture definitely exists, and I think Know Your Meme has a copy of it.
Edit: I'm pretty sure it's this picture:
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/974584-vinesauce
I went ahead and merged the two together on both pages, because they both seem to be contributing to the meme either way.
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Should we make a section for Hitomi Fujiko in the "Other" part of the page? It'd kinda be a hype entry, but it was a pretty notable event, and I think clarifying it on this page might help anyone who is confused on the whole thing.
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I think recreating the "Other" section (Hitomi is neither a streamer-created character nor a frequent guest, and I didn't consider this when making those sections) and adding that info would be a good idea.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
We should probably make entries for streamer-made characters other than V-Dub. For Vinny in particular, some of his characters (such as Sponge and Tucker) have lots of information on the Tomodachi Life pages and almost nothing on these pages, despite not originating in Tomodachi Life.
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Yeah, I was thinking about that too, like how the Game Grumps page has a section for the characters they make up. Something like "In-Universe Characters" would work, and putting the real people currently in the "Other" section into "Frequent Guests" or similar.
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I made a section for in-universe characters, but V-Dub is the only thing in it at the moment. The only such characters I can think of at the moment are Sponge, Tucker, Qario, Bees McBees, Vineswole, Vinelady, and maybe the Gay Purple Man if he exists outside GPM's avatar (I'm not familiar with GPM's pre-Vinesauce stuff, so I only know of the "purple Apple Dave" incarnation). I don't know whether Apple Dave would count since he's so closely tied to the Tomodachi streams.
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I could probably watch the Ralph Bluetawn videos tonight/tomorrow and make a section on him. I was also thinking about adding Hitomi Fujiko (not the user, but the "character" she played in Vinny's Active Worlds stream) because of how infamous that stream was. And while he isn't technically fictional, I think Joel's Dad could also get a section there due to his prominence.
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...I can't believe I forgot about Ralph. Maybe it's because he has at least some information on here, as opposed to how Sponge and Tucker don't have a whole lot on the non-Tomodachi pages. The lack of info on Sponge led me to explain who he is when mentioning that he's in Super Mario Galaxy Repainted (on the Funny page) and I don't think Tucker was mentioned until I added a mention of him on the YMMV page's Acceptable Targets entry on viewers who idolize Vinny (I mentioned that he's a caricature of them).
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Off-topic, but I laughed when the new history page produced the text "A gullible, socially awkward teenager who had hijacked Joel's channel during the time of V-Dub's creation" when showing when I added Tucker's entry and moved V-Dub's.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Sorry to keep making so many topics, but I wanted to comment on the part about Vinny's last name. For whatever reason, Know Your Meme's page on him claims his full name is Vincent Lange, despite nothing other than his first name ever coming up in official sources. I say "for whatever reason" because this is the same site that (apparently temporarily) rejected the page in question and also has an article on Joel that contained so many inaccuracies that Joel himself had to step in to fix it.
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There's more to vinesauce than the characters in one of the games that one of the streamers played. This is all very nice, but it shouldn't be in the generic vinesauce/characters slot.
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I personally think that DK should have a fourth wall title, seeing as he knows he's in a game and does whatever he can to spite Vinny
Edit: Sorry, misplaced this post.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I should probably mention that I removed Joel's Exinthevatican YouTube username because he seems to have retired it. He changed his channels' names "Vargskelethor: Vinesauce Joel" and "Vargskelethor Uncut: Full Joel Streams" sometime this year.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Should we have sections on Vappy and Southbird? I mean, considering who got one before they did.
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Of course we should. If that punk Towel could, Vappy and Bird deserve it much more.
I'm quite confident in my shitposting you know
I decided to expunge Towel because we shouldn't be giving him any more attention than he's already gathered. I'd suggest you use ambiguous names rather than the one he was called by from now on when referring to him, as he does not deserve the attention.
I made sections for Vinny's affiliates. Currently, they're short and not very good.
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Do any of you have a favorite Vineland Islander? Maybe it's because of how she is on my island but Dheerse is becoming one of my favorites. I also like Seabiscuit too, and have since learned to tolerate her voice. I changed Dheerse's though because I couldn't understand a lick of what she was saying, so she now kinda sounds like a cross between Seabiscuit and Cling On in my game.
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So, it looks like someone has tried to separate Vinny and Joel's in-universe characters, but they've made a bit of a mess of it. Should I try to fix it, or should I just try to revert the changes? I was leaning more towards trying to fix it up, but then I don't know where I would put Rev's character Bees Mc Bees, who has currently been accidentally buried in Meat's folder. It hardly seems worth having a separate section for one character.
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