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Franco revisionism is definitely part of Ryzov's wheelhouse, though Ryzov usually went further by insisting the Republican side committed numerous massacres.
Still worth a check though, IMO
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The timeline matches up - they were last banned on January 27
, and Dd's first (and so far only) edits were February 10th - plus, they had a habit of general revisionist history that lines up here, and that edit reason also feels familiar.
If nothing else, it's a terrible start.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99
If they're ban evading multiple times to edit this page, we may need to lock and clean it.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
That said, we never had proof that Ryzov was the creator of Sister Floriana, just that they had similar views to the creator and obviously enjoyed the work. We shouldn't be throwing that part around because we don't know if it's true or not.
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^ Fair, though having subjected myself to Mitchell's twitter on numerous occasions I'm personally convinced. They even have the same interests - for example, Book Buccaneer was making edits related to Attack on Titan at the same time that Mitchell was tweeting about the new season. If they're not the same person then they're either friends or Ryzov is obsessed with him to the point of stalker behavior.
Still, editing the OP to reflect that.
Edited by Dirtyblue929
The original version never claimed that the Franco regime was fascist, only that it had fascist traits, stressing the fascist ideology. So the rewrite is pointless and whitewashing and should be reverted but that doesn't mean the the original version was perfect.
Who says that? This is belittling Mussolini's evil deeds and is of little relevance to a Useful Notes article.
^ Also I see way more jokes at Hitler's expense than Mussolini's. Adolf Hitlarious is a thing.
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I'm gonna go ahead and revert with an edit to the first sentence as ^^ pointed out. Still need an IP check on dd for ban evasion.
No evidence of ban evasion, but I've suspended them for political soapboxing. FWIW, why do we have a page on Franco at all? It is begging for political editing.
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The Franco page probably exists because there are pages for other political leaders of the period. I doubt that we really need a useful note about him since, unlike Hitler, Mussolini or Stalin, he's not mentioned that often in popular culture.
But now that the page exists I don't see any reason to remove it. The political editing can be prevented by locking it, can't it?
Edited by GnomeTitan
The only occasion I can think of with Franco being in popular culture (in America at least) is the SNL joke from The '70s about Franco still being dead.
Is that enough to sustain a page about him? At the very least I think the page should probably be locked.
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^There are a few more works listed on the page itself, but not many.
I think it may be far more common for works to refer to, or take place in Spain during, The Franco Regime than to Franco personally, so perhaps it would be enough to move the information to that page.
EDITED: I noticed that there are quite few works listed on UsefulNotes.The Franco Regime as well, but at least in Europe, it was part of the cultural background that the popular tourist destination Spain was a brutal dictatorship, so I think there must be far more works that refer to the regime.
Edited by GnomeTitan
There are a ton of works about the Spanish Civil War, but very few of them depict Franco directly.
Is there some reason we can't just refer people to The Other Wiki if they are looking for actual historical information? They are the ones set up to deal with issues like bias and sourcing
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^ That's my feeling as well. These Useful Notes pages are just wikipedia but less useful.
^^ There's a couple other Heads of State pages though and many of them only have few works listed.
^^ Hmm...discussing issues with Useful Notes pages feels like it belongs more on Wiki Talk.
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UsefulNotes.Francisco Franco recently got a couple of pretty large edits from new user Tropers.dd23zz
The biggest of them was changing a section about his politics from this:
to this:
with the edit reason of: "The previous description about ideology was flawed and was made either by a non-neutral biased person, or a poorly informed one."
I believe that this may be Tropers.Ryzov_meister9247 ban-evading. Ryzov was heavily focused on promoting the works of alt-right author Robert Mitchell, most notably FanFic.Sister Floriana, a "fanfic" of an art collection by Japanese artist "Diva" that engages in historical revisionism focused on whitewashing Francisco Franco and his regime.
He was banned for campaigning to restore our page on Stonetoss (a neo-nazi propaganda webcomic) and editing pages related to the Spanish Civil War (the above page, Homage to Catalonia, etc.) to insert entries along the lines of "Historical Hero Upgrade: The enemies of Franco were actually murdering communist rapists" or "Historical Villain Upgrade: Franco was actually a hero defending Spanish Christians and opposing the Dirty Commies", etc. He has also ban-evaded in the past using the account Tropers.Book Buccaneer
Given their identical Single-Issue Wonk of "Francisco Franco was actually an anti-communist hero and totally not a fascist" and dd23zz's first edits coming a week or two after Book Buccaneer was banned, it seems pretty conclusive to me.
Edited by Dirtyblue929