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I usually see them in Anime and Manga.
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Alright. If that's the convention, I'll start moving the examples I added from Literature folders to Anime/Manga folders.
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Typically I see examples in Anime and Manga if there is one and in Literature if it was never adapted. I think the question of media sorting is still ongoing.
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Personally, if the light novel has manga-style illustrations (which they often do), then it should be treated as a type of manga.
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I've seen people say to put them in Anime and Manga not because they wouldn't normally go under Literature, but because they're so frequently adapted into anime and manga that people tend to encounter their adaptations first.
That argument seems a little suspect to me TBH.
If the example is specific to the light novel, it can go in "Literature". If it belongs to its adaptations, it's "Anime & Manga".
What should be avoided is a "Light Novels" folder.
^But the problem is most of the time the adaptations tend to be basically 1:1 recreations or at least Adaptation Distillation, so in most cases the same trope examples appear in all versions. C.f. the question I had a couple months ago over whether Muv Luv Alternative Total Eclipse should have been changed to the Franchise namespace.
It's a peculiarity of this particular media space that the adaptations tend to be far more faithful than in Western media: the adaptations' studios rarely try to put their own creative spin on the original.
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^^ StockLightNovelHero.Light Novels and TrappedInAnotherWorld.Light Novels exist, but that's because those two tropes are so pervasive that they had to be split off.
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seconding amonimus in that i usually see them in anime & manga if they've been adapted to those mediums, and literature if they haven't. light novels tend to be less popular overseas than their anime/manga adaptations (i've even seen a few shows lampshade this) so that's why their tropes usually go there
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If a trope is present in an original work and its adaptations, it should be listed under the original work's media category. In this case, it's Literature.
What often happened in the old days was that whatever troper added the example didn't know that the anime was based on a light novel.. Subsequent tropers, seeing LN tropes listed under the anime category, followed suit because "monkey see, monkey do."
Do y'all think it's worth making a Wiki Talk thread about this so we can crowner it and set an official policy for these cases? I think we'd essentially be deciding between "put them in Anime/Manga unless novel-specific", "put them in Literature unless anime/manga-specific", or "make a new Light Novel folder and forget the whole thing".
Edited by StarSword
It's a peculiarity of this particular media space that the adaptations tend to be far more faithful than in Western media: the adaptations' studios rarely try to put their own creative spin on the original.
Is there any reason not to add them to both? A comic book and its movie adaptation would have its own entries under each medium. And a person should only add an example from the medium they've seen.
So if I've seen Haruhi but not read it, it would be disingenuous to add an example to Light Novel/Literature since I don't know if it applies or not. I'd have no way to know whether it was in the original or not.
Likewise, if I've read Sword Art Online but not seen the anime, I'd only be comfortable adding an example to Light Novel/Literature. I have no idea if something was cut or altered so I can't add it to Anime.
"They're often close adaptations" doesn't mean we can take it as a given that they definitely will be.
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^That's actually a good point, and also there's at least a couple cases I can think of where the adaptations were either Cut Short relative to the novels or haven't caught up yet.
I've been filling out some tropes for The Executioner And Her Way Of Life, a light novel series that is soon to receive an anime adaptation, and have noticed some inconsistency in which folder light novels are listed under on trope pages. Sometimes they're placed under "Literature" (which would be my first impulse, as they are a form of written media), but sometimes under "Anime/Manga" (presumably because the adaptations often eclipse the original in popularity, so that series like Haruhi Suzumiya become far better known as anime, even though they technically belong to the Light Novel namespace). It's even possible for the same series to have examples spread across both, possibly because people began troping it before any anime adaptation was announced and then people who first learned about it from the eventual anime under that namespace rather than the original one.
I don't want to crosswick examples to the wrong place, so could I get some advice on the proper location to put them?