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Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#1: Nov 2nd 2010 at 2:59:05 PM

The trope description is three pages of Wikipedia fodder leading off an article about green liquids that can melt movie characters' faces on contact. Is it worth repurposing the prose into a useful notes page, or shall I just Kill It with Fire?

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#2: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:10:04 PM

The only problem with the opening paragraphs are the specific science terminologies that put off people like me who don't know or care about scientific definitions for what acid is.

However, it's worth keeping some of the opening there so we can understand that the trope is a contrast with what Real Life acid is. Just get rid of all the more technical talk about what defines an actual acid.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#3: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:12:00 PM

I'll make a copy here and sort out trope and UsefulNotes.Acids

In films, on TV, and in comic books, an "acid" is any liquid that can eat away at and completely dissolve skin and muscle, leaving only bone (and sometimes not even that). Even stronger "acids" will melt steel, glass, plastic, concrete, and ultimately everything it comes in contact with. Such liquids are almost always either a sickly green or sickly yellow color. They bubble and fizz on the counter or floor when you spill them, give off visible, smoky fumes, and they never dissipate (if a drop of acid eats through the floor, it will continue to eat through things on the next level down, and so on, and so forth...)

This stuff will never be referred to as anything other than "acid," unless it's given some highly scientific name at its introduction, after which it will simply be called "acid." Expect it to show up at least once in any work involving a Mad Scientist. If this stuff is ever spilled on a person or other living creature, say hello to the Nightmare Fuel.

Reality Is Unrealistic, because while acid will eventually dissolve flesh and metals and floors, it will not do so instantly. Also, almost all acid solutions are dangerous not for dissolving flesh but for burning flesh and damaging lungs if breathed in. More can be learned on UsefulNotes.Acid.

See also Poison Is Corrosive and Acid Pool for when this is applied to a Death Trap. A subtrope of Hollywood Science. Has nothing to do with that other kind of acid (which one might do well to distinguish from marijuana).

In Real Life, there are several definitions of an acid. An acid can be a substance that makes more hydrogen/hydronium ions in water (pKa < 7, therefore lowering the pH of pure water (7) when added to the solution). A slightly more advanced and broader definition is a substance that donates a proton in a reaction. For those of you who don't learn your chemistry from movies, the last definition is a substance acts as an electron acceptor. A substance can act as an acid in one situation and as a base in another. For example, you can die if your blood pH wavers more than a tiny bit away from 7.3. To prevent this, your body uses carbon dioxide in water to make what's called a buffer. When you become too acidic, it mops up the hydrogen ions, and when you become basic, it releases more hydrogen ions. No buffer system and a tiny shock to your blood pH could send you into complete thermodynamic equilibrium with the surroundings, thus preventing further non-spontaneous reactions powered by oxidation of various organic chemical compounds of biological origin, in a condition known as acute acidosis or alkalosis.

You encounter acids every day; vinegar is an acid, and citrus juice gets its sharp taste from its acidic nature. Your stomach contains hydrochloric acid to help break down your food. The water you drink was probably treated with phosphoric and sulfuric acid before it was piped to your house. Acids are a normal, natural part of everyday life.

While something with an extreme enough pH number can, in fact, eat through some of the things it is portrayed as eating through given enough time (many acids can dissolve metal), the problem is that bases (high pH) corrode flesh while acids (low pH) burn flesh rather than dissolving it (unless they are very strong). And in Real Life, there is much more to the story than the strength of an acid. Hydrochloric acid is a strong acid (pKa=–7.0), yet HCl solutions are commonly used in high school, and if you spill a bit on your hand, it stings, you just rinse it off for a while. On the other hand, hydrofluoric acid is a weak acid (pKa=3.15), but it will eat right through your glass test tube. And if you get any on your hand, it might not sting because of damage to your nerves, but you better get to a hospital immediately.

Another thing blatantly ignored in most fiction is that acid fumes are dangerous on their own as well. Hydrochloric acid fumes, for example, corrode just as bad as liquid acid and when it's spilled on something vulnerable, it produces chlorine gas which is highly toxic in itself and when it comes into contact with water (like in the inside of human respiratory systems) it goes back to being acid. So of course, 90% of the time the main character investigates the corrosion holes by hovering his head inches above it. (See also Convection, Schmonvection for a similar issue with lava).

The strongest acid in the world is a mixture of antimony pentafluoride and hydrogen fluoride (known as fluoroantimonic acid), and is strong enough to protonate just about anything you throw into the reaction mixture. Even stuff that theoretically doesn't react with acid. According to The Other Wiki, it is 20 quintillion times stronger than pure sulfuric acid.

I just moved everything from the description that was more "real world acid" over to the Useful Notes section. If somebody wants to write UsefulNotes.Acids better, by all means.

edited 2nd Nov '10 3:58:47 PM by Deboss

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#4: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:19:50 PM

non-science-major version / could be trimmed to...

"In real life, an acid is a molecular compound that reacts with a base to form salt and water. Most acids taste sour (e.g. acetic acid in vinegar, citric acid in orange juice), and few acids are corrosive enough to dissolve flesh (e.g. sulfuric acid, hydrofluoric acid).

Not so in Hollywood: all acids are extremely corrosive, boil at room temperature, and glow green."

edited 2nd Nov '10 3:29:21 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#5: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:25:41 PM

We don't have to trim it that far down. I like deboss's condensation. How does Hollywood present "acid"; how it's used; then briefly, why that's wrong and what "acid" really means.

edited 2nd Nov '10 3:26:48 PM by Madrugada

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#6: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:34:51 PM

"I like deboss's condensation."

Yes, me too; it wasn't there when I hit Add A Post.

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#7: Nov 2nd 2010 at 3:40:47 PM

Sorry.

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Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#9: Nov 2nd 2010 at 4:00:39 PM

I use a rule of thumb on Hollywood / Did Not Do Research tropes: if it takes more than five sentences to give the gist of reality, give it it's own Useful Notes.

Should I go ahead and trim the description?

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#10: Nov 2nd 2010 at 4:03:40 PM

I'd say give it a little more time for folks to notice the tag and pop in here. Til tomorrow or so... This thread's only been open for an hour or so.

edited 2nd Nov '10 4:04:19 PM by Madrugada

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#11: Nov 3rd 2010 at 4:25:34 PM

I cut it down to a description of what the trope is, rather than a dissertation on how it is wrong. Not our business if it is wrong or not, or to replicate high school chemistry texts.

edited 3rd Nov '10 4:26:17 PM by FastEddie

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#12: Nov 3rd 2010 at 7:36:17 PM

Looks good. Locking up this thread.

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