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Audience Reactions are outside of a work. They do not occur in the work at all, unless they're in-universe, in which case they aren't Audience Reactions anymore. The creator intending the reaction makes it no less external. Although there may be clues in the work that suggest it was intentional, it is impossible to say for sure if it was intended unless you have Word of God. Which is Trivia.
edited 20th Apr '13 1:47:31 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Audience Reactions occur to in-work material. So I am not seeing how you conclude IAR is Trivia.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanOf the Audience Reactions page: "This is an index of Audience Reactions. An Audience Reaction is objectively not present in the work at all. It's something fans emotionally go through from experiencing the work." Edit: Out of note, Banned Episode have 8 yeas and 2 nays in the crowner.
edited 20th Apr '13 2:59:12 PM by MagBas
You missed an important "to"; "occur to in-work material"
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
That doesn't matter. The reaction itself is still outside of the work, which is why we don't classify Audience Reactions as Tropes.
edited 20th Apr '13 3:13:01 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Where the reaction is doesn't matter here. Where the tools used by the author are matters for the purpose of defining IAR. That's why it's not trivia.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The tools used by the author, in the case of IAR, are in the author's mind. They are not visible in the work at all. A trope is objectively present in the work. IAR isn't. The author can try all they want to get this reaction, but that doesn't mean they'll get it. How do you know that character was supposed to be an Ensemble Dark Horse, especially if they're The Scrappy?
Tools used by the author are in a work and can be discerned in it - otherwise, they would not work to trigger IAR. And IAR itself would not be trivia unless it's supported by Word of God, as it's subjective.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I thought examples of IAR had to be backed by Word of God. After all, if they're not, then they're pure speculation.
Not according to Intended Audience Reaction itself. The only "backed by author" stipulation is for putting it on the main page.
Then where does it go if it isn't backed by the author?
Which it already is.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanHowever, it is currently without ymmv banner. It must be put in the ymmv crowner?
It was pulled on the 27thApril 2012 by Luc, seemingly unilaterally.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Considering it states in its description that it's subjective, I think we can put it back on the YMMV index without voting.
Wandering...
Are Artistic License tropes Trivia? They all have to do with the author misusing or misinterpreting information for the sake of the story - whether they did that on purpose or otherwise. AL tropes are not about the story mechanics; they're about how the story mechanics are inaccurate or purely fictional. I've mentioned this is this cleanup thread's post
, by the way.
I'd say that AL falls under Trivia. They are not tropes at their heart, just things that creators did wrong.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think that many "Artistic License" pages often include individual examples of artistic licenses that have been so frequently used as to have become storytelling conventions, and therefore tropes. Audible Sharpness, for example, could be called a form of artistic license.
However, if it is simply used as a catch all for "This thing is not how it actually works in real life" than we might call that trivia.
edited 28th Apr '13 12:59:35 PM by Catbert
It's a mixture of both.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Neither is it typical trivia, that is "tropes" about how a work was made rather than the work itself. Have I got the definition of trivia wrong?
"how a work was made rather than the work itself."
That is by definition not a trope. A trope needs to be visible in the work in some way (camera angles, medium conventions etc.). This is just "inaccuracies to real life".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I asked about the definition of trivia, not tropes. Is the definition wider than I thought? Is trivia a catch-all term for everything that is not tropes or YMMV.
edited 28th Apr '13 2:05:06 PM by Lophotrochozoa
"Trivia is for insignificant factoids about a work or its creation that cannot be determined from the work itself."
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crown Description:
The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product. This crowner is used in conjunction with this thread. Please post in the thread before adding tropes to this list.
Previous crowner here. Make a new crowner after 40 tropes.
"intended a reaction is external to the work" - how can they intend some reaction in an audience with factors outside of a work?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman