During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Kao.
"Make yourself at home" as he says in one of the clips for the film I saw long ago. Based on the EP, to Kao.
How did you end up seeing this movie Scraggle? I remember seeing ads and clips for it on TV a long time ago when I was little and I even tried to watch it on one of the occasions it aired only to get bored pretty quickly. Aside from wanting to add it to the roster for my Nickelodeon movie reviews, I’ve just always been curious to see it in general.
Also, Happy March everyone!
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 1st 2021 at 12:35:19 PM
Kao and a tentative to Ludwig von Tökkentäkker
Edited by WatTambor on Mar 1st 2021 at 1:00:21 AM
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Hoag; Arbaces (Franco Nero's first? That doesn't seem right); keep Tokkentakker (the fact we see his experiments, the fact he's a Large Ham, and the fact we see he tries to combine the protagonist with a gorilla...it's close, but I think he JUST makes the cut); Kao.
@Future: Tubi has it legally available on their service.
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BTW, I assume Hexxus doesn't count due to being Made of Evil?
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Lizzid people!
Goku Black
Kao
Tokkentakker
Woagh
to Kao and keep Tokkentakker, they're evidence for his crimes and he isn't a GVD.
Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Mar 1st 2021 at 6:05:18 AM
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
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Here's the current entry for Tokkentakker (tweaked a bit):
- CarnEvil: Professor Ludwig von Tökkentäkker is the leader of the titular CarnEvil, a carnival filled with monsters. When the unnamed Player Character summons his carnival, Tökkentäkker greets him and forces him and another girl named Betty to fight through the carnival's three main attractions. Throughout the game, the player can see the skeletons and mutilated corpses of the other unfortunate people the carnival has claimed. After the player survives the main attractions, Tökkentäkker greets him at the big top, and orders an army of surgeon clowns to cut out his brain and place it into the body of a gorilla. When the player successfully kills them, Tökkentäkker traps him in a cage and brings him to his airship. There, he and his army of skeletons try to kill the Player and Betty. The website reveals more of Tökkentäkker's crimes, such as his manipulation, lobotomization, and mutilation of two circus performers; and his desire to Take Over the World with an army of giant freaks
to Warden Hoag, Arbaces, Kao and keeping Tokkentakker.
I’d say cut the sentence “throughout the game...the carnival has claimed” since there’s nothing indicating that from what I’ve seen or read.
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So, this?
- CarnEvil: Professor Ludwig von Tökkentäkker is the leader of the titular CarnEvil, a carnival filled with monsters. When the unnamed Player Character summons his carnival, Tökkentäkker greets him and forces him and another girl named Betty to fight through the carnival's three main attractions. After the player survives the main attractions, Tökkentäkker greets him at the big top, and orders an army of surgeon clowns to cut out his brain and place it into the body of a gorilla. When the player successfully kills them, Tökkentäkker traps him in a cage and brings him to his airship. There, he and his army of skeletons try to kill the Player and Betty. The website reveals more of Tökkentäkker's crimes, such as his manipulation, lobotomization, and mutilation of two circus performers; and his desire to Take Over the World with an army of giant freaks
to Hoag, Arbaces, Kao and Tokkentakker.
to Kao, 23 and Hoag.
The Draftsman of Doom
Yes to Kao.
Dood, 43 said what needed to be said. I edited my post accordingly. I appreciate you think I overstepped my boundaries, but bringing up the subject again when it was already resolved is not nice.
Also the [[strike:]] function is a thing.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
I kinda agree.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 1st 2021 at 9:54:39 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Showtime!
to Kao and a tentative to Tokkentaker
Woagh
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Yeah, sorry dude, I shouldn't have barged into the dead conversation myself. Also, yes, I completely forgot about the strike thing.
I’m not really digging this image
◊ of Tommy Udo. It really isn’t indicative if he’s throwing the woman down the stairs.
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Eh, between his grin and her scream of horror, it seems pretty clear, IMO anyway.
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Yes to Kao and I think there's enough for Tokkentakker. Good work double checking that nwot and I'd follow his suggestions for the entry there Adam, our boy did go out and put the work into it after all!
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Already done ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
'Tis indeed a fun game.
Edited by ACW on Mar 1st 2021 at 10:04:26 AM
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I think the Udo pic is clear enough from the "helpless victim" angle.
