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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 23rd 2019 at 4:42:19 AM

AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:13:15 PM

Going with a no on the Kids. Sounds more like you're glossing over the astrological circumstances. From the way you describe it, sounds as though their moral agency is severely impaired.

Edited by AustinDR on Oct 10th 2019 at 1:13:33 AM

Why you little-!
Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:16:32 PM

[tup] the Kids if it's just that they lost there Emotions as opposed to only being able to do Evil stuff.

The astrology thing is weird as hell though.

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Take my revolution!
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:18:43 PM

Abstaining on the kids because it sounds like their condition is presented as a reason in universe

Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:21:57 PM

Technically, being a sociopath doesn't mean you have to be bad. There are a lot of moral sociopaths out there. That being said, it does matter how the movie presents it.

Debbie sounds like the worst. Do Curtis and Steven explicitly not care for her or each other?

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miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:25:43 PM

Okay so Moral Socioapthy is a thing.

That said it depends how it's played In-Universe.

So stellavore is it played as a genuine agency breaking excuse ?

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Stellarvore Miss me? Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Miss me?
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:35:19 PM

Well, Joyce explains that the eclipse affects the way they treat people. But does it, really? Yes, they'll kill as they please, but they can also be pleasant when it suits them. If you really want to argue about their agency, then you could make the same argument about "normal" sociopathy. The brains of psychopaths/sociopaths are wired differently than ours, but countless CMs probably have that condition.

@bobg: There's nothing to say they don't, but there's nothing to say they do. Not enough onscreen interaction, though they are arrested together.

Edited by Stellarvore on Oct 10th 2019 at 3:37:08 AM

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Oct 10th 2019 at 1:36:13 PM

[tup] to Jack Slash- er, Jack Angel.

Not completely certain about the kids.

Oct 10th 2019 at 1:36:27 PM

he's got a point there.

DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:38:06 PM

Abstaining on the kids.

Story by me.
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:39:31 PM

@ Stellarvore That's hardly something we can deny. However, here? It's clearly stated that that astromony stuff will affect whoever is born this day.

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Oct 10th 2019 at 1:50:05 PM

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36 styles of danger
Oct 10th 2019 at 1:59:32 PM

If the film presents their disorder as being owed to astrology, then no. Whether or not the writers gets how psychopathy works isn't relevant if they've made a world in which these kids are sociopaths because of when they were born.

This sounds like when Caine got relitigated and put up (which I disagreed with) because the film had a gorilla act violent after being experimented on with the invisibility serum as though a gorilla being an aggressive animal somehow proved he had agency. If the film plays it as an impairment, we can't ignore that and this seems like reaching to get a candidate up.

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Awesomekid42 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:06:30 PM

If the film treats it as the reason they're like this, [tdown] to the kids

Kylotrope The Good Doctor
The Good Doctor
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:12:17 PM

Frankly, the way I'm seeing it the Film INTENDED to make it so the Saturn thing is why there like this...But the Film only states that They lost their emotions, as opposed to saying it made them Want to kill people.

Cut them Down and Make them Holy, forgiven on this ground solely
miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:17:58 PM

Whelp I'll just abstain.

Though uh question for someone I want to ep later ?

Say we had a species that frowned upon over use of strong emotions since it drove them unbalanced mentally. Now they are actually usually peaceful if valuing knowledge over emotions. But the Big Bad is an expectation being an evil scum bag willing to do anything to get to the top even killing his own daughter and starting a literal hate group targeted at his own species to help him take over since they kicked him out.

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:38:18 PM

Abstain on the kids. Though that explanation for their sociopathy has to be the weirdest thing I've read all day.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:40:01 PM

Go for it Mir.

43, who's this Caine?

[down] Who's that?

Edited by ACW on Oct 10th 2019 at 5:46:31 AM

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miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:42:17 PM

Alright it's been years since I read Seraphina though. So maybe a bit (It was actually named one of the greatest fantasy books of the 21st century. That's high praise).

Also got a new profile pic for the horror mood.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 10th 2019 at 2:47:03 AM

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
Tyk5919 Life is but a pyramid. Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Life is but a pyramid.
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:57:45 PM

Yeah, I'm leaning towards [tdown] for the trio of kids. It's hard to gloss over the solar eclipse thing given it was explicitly stated that caused their sociopathy.

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NTG
Oct 10th 2019 at 3:08:29 PM

Just dropping by, since it has been two weeks since the release of the final Expansion Pack for Hitman 2. As before, no new candidates because none of the targets comes even close to heinous standard of Hitman.

  • The three targets in the story mission, are running an Island Resort for the rich while secretly helping wealthy criminals by providing them with new identities. Two of them conspire against the third and consider murdering him. One of the two conspirators also plans to turn on the other.
  • The targets in the side mission are two scam artists who running a company that sells what they are calling “de-mineralized salt water” (aka tap water with a fancy name) as a miracle cure.

On the bright side, IOI finally has announced another Elusive Target for the game and the first one is going to be a Serial Killer. So there may be an EP in the foreseeable future. Only time will tell.

43110 36 styles of danger from the Brooklyn zoo Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
36 styles of danger
Oct 10th 2019 at 3:11:36 PM

Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man... Beast reproposed him some time ago.

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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 10th 2019 at 3:12:37 PM

Ah, right, him. It's just this thread goes through SO many candidates, just saying a last name usually isn't enough [lol]

[up][up] Forget the heinous standard of Hitman, I don't think they exceed the BASELINE.

Edited by ACW on Oct 10th 2019 at 6:13:34 AM

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AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Oct 10th 2019 at 3:13:27 PM

I mean, gorillas are known for being aggressive, so the argument that the formula made it more savage doesn't really work.

Why you little-!

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