During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Thanks Mir.
Btw, for Reign of the Supermen I think I want to hold off for the moment. Darkseid might be bad enough to count, but a lot of it is generic villainy and he gets somewhat hijacked by Hank Henshaw at the end (who does not in any wya, shape or form keep for this trope)
Goku Black
@silver: Its cool.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
What if we were to add his crimes from Justice League War. Expeimentation, invasion and mass murder. Admittingly he doesnt have a character their but we've done similair scenerios before when their the same character like in this case.
Edited by miraculous on Feb 16th 2019 at 11:27:27 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Remind me of his crimes there...I'll see if I can't make the case.
Goku Black
Lets see been awhile but:
- He kidnaps dozens if not hundreds of people and has painfully and agonsily turned into parademons which breaks their minds. His ltimat plan being to convert the entire of humanity into parademon slaves for his invasion.
- He decimates everal populated cities including several populated buldings for no reason becuase he's a GDV in this film.
Yeah I'd say that Darkseid is up their with Trigon when you add both films together as one of the all time worst in the films.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The wifi here sucks
Has there been any discussion of Hyrule Conquest, if there hasn't I may take a loot at it.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Top Cow Shared Universe has already been drained of heinousness.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
11, we Do not know that
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Darkseid in War is far from.lacking heinousness. He lacks a.personality, but now that he had reappeared and got one along with some new crimes...Yeah, seems like a easy keep.
Watch me destroying my country
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Does Henshaw have Even Evil Has Loved Ones?
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I agree that Darkseid is a keep. When both films taken into account.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2019 at 2:59:22 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Alright, EP on Doug will be upcoming.
Henshaw is driven by the death of his wife. There is zero ambiguity to him
@ACW So should I rewrite Pinker’s entry then?
Goku Black
I look forward to he who sits on the couch being ep'd. It would only be the second media adaption of him to count after his Glorious DCAU version
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Sosa has 10![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
right now, is that enough to cut him or do we wait in a specific amount of time?
I'm fine with cutting Sosa too.
Wait, so there's only ONE media adaption of Darkseid that counts. (Though it does look to be two very soon) Did the other media incarnations not do enough?
Lizzid people!
There was another: the DCAU take on Darkseid.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
@miraculous I know it's not exactly the same, but we do have two versions of him from Fan Works count.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 16th 2019 at 3:21:26 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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That's probably enough to cut Sosa; let me take care of that now.
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Goku Black
Uh most either arent heinous enough or in some cases even have mitigating factors from thosse Ive seen.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
On YMMV/Dino Attack RPG I found these 3 entries:
- Complete Monster: For the most part, this has been averted, since nearly every villain has some redeemable trait... and then there's these guys.
- The Brickspider Bot v1.0. Simply put, the Brickspider Bot is a cold-blooded killer, with quite a body count during the battle for LEGO Island. The Brickspider Bot also assisted Dr. Rex in leading the Dino Attack Team to the trap in Quadrant 14, which took even more lives. It was also noted that the Brickspider Bot is a grave robber who picks apart dead bodies to find ways to improve itself. It was created to be a mere mook, but Evil Ogel and General Evil realized that it was too intelligent and too evil, and so they knew it had to be destroyed. Even Cyber-Bully was disgusted by the Brickspider Bot's presence. The Brickspider Bot feels sadistic pleasure in torturing and terrorizing its victims before killing them in cold blood. The sole reason the Brickspider Bot wants to see the apocalypse happen is because it revels in the death and destruction it will cause, i.e. In Love with Your Carnage. Never portrayed sympathetically, and ultimately killed by the heroes.
- Michelle Glados. She is willing to kill a world's population in a horrible apocalypse that she helped to bring about... you know, For Science! The fact that she suggests this so emotionlessly only makes it worse; although she rarely shows emotion, she feels no regrets over what she has done, and her emotionless exterior actually masks a sadism rivaling that of Loop and the Brickspider Bot. Otherwise, one might argue that her lack of caring only makes her an even greater monster. She knowingly took a group of Dino Attack agents, disguised as her own mooks, and sent them to the front lines of the battlefield where they were shot and killed by their own teammates. Then, she activated poisonous gases to treat the survivors with a slow, agonizing death. But the greatest Player Punch of all was when she killed Amanda Claw and Trouble, two beloved long-runners of the Dino Attack RPG, which numerous players attested to having radically altered their perception of the RPG as a result. Her presence usually elicits complete disgust from those around her. Even if she does have a Freudian Excuse in the form of a Friendless Background, that's no excuse for her behavior today, as called out by Frank Einstein. When Glados and her fellow scientists realized that they were being manipulated by the Darkitect all along, they were all given a chance of redemption. Most of the other scientists took that chance and, by the end of the final battle, were fighting alongside the heroes. Glados did not. In fact, she barely even acknowledged the possibility that she could have redeemed herself, instead choosing to continue pursuing her own goals up until her death.
- Baron Typhonus, the Darkitect. He is considered to be on nearly-Eldritch levels of unspeakable horrors. He wants to destroy the entire planet... and then, from there, the rest of the universe. Being the RPG's only Omnicidal Maniac, he is frequently a target of Even Evil Has Standards and Evil Versus Oblivion.He actively plays with the minds of numerous characters, toying with their emotions to increase their suffering or bend them to his will. He has even brought peoples' worst fears to life in some of the cruelest ways possible. One of the worst things he has done on-screen is his Divine Intervention, saving Dr. Rex from death, but in doing so, leaving him in a state of endless pain and agony while reducing him to little more than a puppet that he could control, forcing him to keep fighting a battle he no longer wanted to fight. That's right. He turned Dr. Rex, who was a monster in his own right, into a woobie. He has no regret or remorse for anything he does. When his minions, nothing more than tools to accomplish his goals to him, outlive their usefulness, he offs them without a single second thought. In fact, throughout everything he does, he remains arrogant and smug about it, enjoying seeing the pain he inflicts upon others. While he cannot be killed, his presence is indefinitely banished from Earth, which was the only way the RPG could have a remote chance at a happy ending.
Was any of them approved?
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They're at Other Media under roleplays.
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That entry could use some fixing up.
@ACW: My personal opinion is keeping it as the old one, but I'll hear what everyone else and Scraggle especially think.