During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
No to Mip. This is a textbook example on why we decline nearly all of these Adult Swim comedy candidates.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Velana. ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Mip.
Imperfect Disgrace
Velana. Mip.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Velena.
Also, considering that we reject any character who is not played seriously enough, why is it not on the official Administrivia.Complete Monster FAQ as a bullet point? None of the bullet points mention “played seriously” and it might by why tropers keep proposing candiiates who are too comedic to qualify.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Professor Gigachad
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Yeah why isn't that on the FAQ it feels like it should be.
Alright, here it is.
- 30 Days in Spring & Project A75: Ryan Rhodes is a sociopathic teenager who has been committing atrocities since childhood, including murdering a disabled boy in fifth grade. After he and many other students are stuck in the woods during a class trip, Ryan joins up with three other boys to commit more atrocities for fun. After beating a group of fourteen-year-olds to death, the boys gang-rape a girl to death and murder her boyfriend when he comes looking for revenge. The boys soon find gold, drowning two guys who found it and torturing others to death when they do the same, before burning a shack full of sixth-graders alive. Eventually, the other boys get tired of the violence, but Ryan makes them keep going under pain of death. After forcing two girls to strangle each other, the gang is attacked by the rest of the students, and Ryan abandons his goons to their fate as he tries to escape. After being freed by Mr. Pink, Ryan helps him with glee, thinking he wants to wipe out all of humanity which Ryan wants for the opportunity to kill more people for sadistic thrills. During his fight with the heroes, Ryan murders Ralph and Adam and declares his intention to make Amelia his Sex Slave.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:03:42 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Well, if someone wants to draft a bullet point for the FAQ, they've got my encouragement.
Goku Black
Wai that isn't already in adminstriva?
No wonder we're getting swarmed with examples like this.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
I can do it.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
The Draftsman of Doom
I found this on the FAQ:
Can a Laughably Evil villain be a Complete Monster?:
Yes, as long as their actions are taken seriously in the story. Take The Joker: He manages to be funny and horrifying at the same time, sometimes in the same scene; see the mob meeting and "magic trick" for an example.
Are we considering adding a point about conduciveness?
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:17:13 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Professor Gigachad
A point about conducivness would be a good idea as well.
Also, does anyone have an opinion on my expansion?
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
for Landon, Crowley, Mary Hunt, Danarius, Randall, his quote, the Deep Learnest, Silas, Pittiker, Pizzaro, Denton, Sphinx, YHVH (tentative), Proctor, and Velana.
for Mip.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
- They must be played seriously: their crimes and threat must not be played for comedy.
I know we have the FAQ item listed above, but moving it to a main bullet point and folder will make it more visible and thus less likely to be overlooked by tropers.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 16th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Aye to the Ryan Rhodes expansion, needless to say.
@Ordeaux26 Not to forget that not even Ralph, despite being a family annihilator, approves of Ryan's crimes.
@MasterN Looks good.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Feb 16th 2022 at 1:30:42 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
The Draftsman of Doom
Great work, N.
No to Mip.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 16th 2022 at 7:41:45 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Wild Child
Velana.
So, this is just a minor note: Princess Adriana's name is currently potholed to God Save Us from the Queen!. Given that Villainous Princess is now a thing, I feel that's more fitting and should be swapped for that.
Why so serious?
Velena, Denton, and YHVH
to Mip
Edited by G-Editor on Feb 16th 2022 at 8:28:14 AM
Professor Gigachad
I like that one N good job.
There is probably more to be swapped for that.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Mip
Best Smile
Imperfect Disgrace
N's suggestion.
mip, too absurd to qualify
The Emperor of Evil!
to Mip, he's not even bad enough in the first place
But to Velana and YHWH
A 20th Century Boy
to Apocalypse!YHVH, to Mip
Yeah, I agree with ASghhrv6ub. Mr. Pink is easily heinous enough but he has a bunch of mitigating factors that render him incapable of qualifying. Ryan somehow manages to get even worse I will have his expanded writeup out in a second.
Also in case someone asks about Ralph Leder. Even ignoring possible heinous standard problems he has a legitimate Freudian Excuse that gives him possible loved ones.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes