Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Okay good. Then I have no issues with him.

So far, only one person serms to have weighed in on my suggestions.

I have tried to address their concerns.

Does anyone else want to weigh in on my suggestions?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 14th 2022 at 4:53:43 AM

to Yore, Carvalho, Emma, Abdul Jabbar, Loki, Fu Manchu, Mayor Chester Cobblepot, the Old Monk, Tadeusz Mancewicz, Lukasz Skowron, Fah Lo See, Kevin J. Sleet, Andrew Falk, Reitman, Chronos, Lord Glaxx, Yoon Gwi-nam, Wolfstan, the Kamaitachi Killer and the Dark Overlord.

I concur with Mir. It just encourages ban evaders to come back. An old forum I used to go to could ban IP addresses, but with a VPN that's pretty much impossible now. Damn you, modern technology!

For ban evaders relitigation, what's wrong with simply rewriting the example instead of having to go through another effortpost. It just seems too much work.

Edited by Klavice on Feb 14th 2022 at 2:05:26 AM

Klavice: Last I checked, sockpuppets were not reliable sources of information. They have a tendency to either leave out information or add misinformation.

Additionally, I would argue that sockpuppetry existed before this suggestion, and will persist long after; they will do it regardless. I would also contend that if a newcomer picks something for evaluation from that list, it will make it easier to catch them if they are socks.

The reason for my suggestion that we either create a new sandbox to hold those cut candidates, or link to Ban-Evader Example Rewrites in the to-do lists is precisely because they will be de-prioritized. In fact, I would argue for a waiting period of at least a month before relitigation.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 14th 2022 at 5:05:54 AM

Hmm... there's that. Honestly I suggest we just cut the example entirely if a user gets banned and don't give them the satisfaction of having it back up. If it's a valid example, it will be re EP'd in a slow stream. There's no need to rush it.

I'm ultimately fine with a list but we shouldn't give them the satisfaction of adding it back right away. It just feeds the troll.

Isn't there an entire cleanup dedicated to Ban Evader edit reversion already? Why not ask them?

Sounds good to me.

Edited by Klavice on Feb 14th 2022 at 2:07:35 AM

Dark Overlord.

Dark Overlord.

Just so we are clear:

• The sandbox/section of the sandbox is meant to document candidates which await re-litigation on account of being effortposted by ban-evaders.
• I am suggesting a 1 month waiting period minimum from the time that the work is added to the list.
• I am also suggesting that relitigations potentially need to be reserved in advance, and called in the thread.

This goes for both CM and MB, assuming I can convince both threads.

Does anyone have anything further to add?

~Tropers/ACW, you seemed amenable to my suggestion via PM. Do you have anything to add?

Edit: The more I think about this, the more an extra sandbox seems like too much work.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 14th 2022 at 5:40:16 AM

Dark Overlord from the godawful Howard the Duck movie. Also, am I the only one wondering how they were to get away with duck tits in an PG movie.

I'm aware of that. But ONSCREEN duck tits is something that I doubt would make it past the censors, even during those times.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Feb 14th 2022 at 3:19:10 AM

I think back then, PG-Rated movies were allowed to get away with a bit more risqué content than nowadays. Remember, Beetlejuice was also rated PG.

to Dark Overlord, btw.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Feb 14th 2022 at 3:01:24 AM

Dark Overlord

@Michael: The 1984 Sheena movie got away with full-frontal nudity of Tanya Roberts—a prolonged waterfall bathing scene, in fact.

Hilarious yes to the Dark Overlord, BTW. Honestly surprised nobody got him earlier; the film is one of the reigning kings of So Bad, It's Good.

I've been looking through the CM entries for the Franchise.Nasuverse... And we have a total of eight entries. This would definitely warrant a page, right?

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Feb 14th 2022 at 4:20:23 AM

So having fiiiinally watched "The Maze" from Miami Vice, I got some issues with Elio. And TBH, with the standard as it is, he probably needs to go.

• "The Maze" (rewrite needed): Elio Escobar is the worst member of his drug-dealing family, with even his brothers disgusted by his utter psychosis. A murderer, thief, drug trafficker, and vandal, Escobar murders a detective and has people taken hostage in a hotel, including a baby, with intent to murder them later. When he sees a girl he likes, Escobar tries to rape her. When his brother Georges sees this, he tries to reason with and stop Elio, Elio simply murders his brother in response to this.

So numerous things:

1) The writeup makes it seem like Elio's the one who kills the detective. He is not. His brother Raul is (Raul, BTW, doesn't qualify; he has a Villainous BSoD in his final scene and surrenders sobbing "I'm sorry!")

2) While he's certainly participating in holding the population of the hotel hostage and planning to murder them, he's still splitting that crime with the other Escobars, including Raul—Raul is the leader of the gang, on whose initiative this all takes place

3) While he is an attempted rapist, and the only one in the Escobars who is, the writeup claims he kills his own brother who tries to defend her. Georges is not Elio's brother; he's the brother of the woman Elio's attempting to rape. He's one of his hostages.

So Elio's rapsheet boils down to...participating in the schemes of his equally nasty family, outside the attempted rape and subsequent murder which—while bad—isn't enough to stand out on its own. There's one other dude much later in the show named Cruz who basically does everything Elio does except with even less resources; he only has the one partner as opposed to an entire gang backing him up.

So I'll probably post Cruz soon, but Elio? Cut him.

Oh ya big baby wah wah wah

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 15th 2022 at 11:47:51 AM

Cut Elio

Probably because some of us have standards... and yes I say that as someone who's seen Attack Force and most of David Heavener's filmography for the thread.

Cut him

I had a nagging feeling that he might have ended up Cut. Oh well.

Cut Escobar. How hilarious that one of the original candidates is not even gonna be on the subpage.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 14th 2022 at 7:41:22 AM

Cut Elio.

Also, I'll also get up another Marvel keep while I've got the stage! A happy find from my impulse buys from my local vintage comic shop, from Marvel Preview #18.

What has Quan-Zarr done?

From the Earth-791 Star-Lord series (the 70s GOTG series I got Gareth and Kyras Shakati from), Quan-Zarr is introduced as ruler of the planet Redstone, a dingy little world where all technology is hoarded by him and his soldiers. Soldiers on his order open the comic slaughtering a ship full of people. These people happen to look like beastmen; no coincidence. There are a spat of beastmen attacks on Redstone when Star-Lord arrives, each claiming innocent lives, but the attacks aren't random. Tthe beastmen have a very understandable chip on their shoulder when it comes to Quan-Zarr.

Redstone didn't always belong to Quan-Zarr. After Quan-Zarr was exiled from the last place he ruled, a twele-planet system we never see, he fled to the most backwater planet he could find—that was Redstone. Quan-Zarr rained absolute hell down on the planet, subjecting the peaceful population to fiery, indiscriminate genocide.

Oh, but Quan-Zarr wasn't “utterly without mercy”; he left some survivors. Yes, he kept a small population on which he “threw like bones” to his scientists, subjecting them to grotesque and agonizing genetic experiments that warped their bodies. Then Quan-Zarr took those monstrosities and put them in a forced breeding camp, forcing them to mate over and over until they produced children. These kids were the beastmen.

The ultimate purpose of these breeding experiments? It seemed to simply be so Quan-Zarr could use the beastmen as pets in a zoo for his own entertainment. Any escapees or rebels were subsequently massacred by police, until Quan-Zarr's own son liberated the remaining beastmen. After this, Quan-Zarr coldly had his boy killed by his soldiers.

Now in possession of a planet-destroying superweapon he hopes to use as a means of conquest to regain his rule over the twelve-world empire, Quan-Zarr's dreams of conquest come to an end when the beastmen's leader invades his capital and impales him through the gut, though Star-Lord has to kill the beastmen's leader to prevent him from taking out his wrath on the rest of Quan-Zarr's people.

Any mitigating factors?

I'll bring up quickly that the aforementioned leader of the beastmen is a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds; he's so consumed with pain and anger for what Quan-Zarr did to him, his people, his race, his...well, everything, so he elects to try and destroy Redstone's capital city and wipe out millions of unrelated people as an extension of his wrath. The beastman's leader isn't without standards—he tries to get Star-Lord to leave, recognizing he has no beef with him—but it's still horrific Misplaced Retribution no matter what Quan-Zarr did.

Now, with that out of the way, Quan-Zarr's still a clear goddamned polevault across the heinous standard. He doesn't have the body count of Gareth and Kyras, but in a span of a single issue Quan-Zarr manages to wrack up a count of tyranny, genocide, eugenics experiments, forced breeding camps, and filicide. For a 70s Marvel comic, that's fucked.

Conclusion?

Clear keeper.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 14th 2022 at 5:43:47 AM

Cut to Elio.

on Quan-Zarr

Also, any word on my suggestion?

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Feb 14th 2022 at 4:45:43 AM

I'll let those familiar with Nasu weigh in. Yes to Quan.

When you have something as massive and overlapping as the Nasuverse? It's kinda hard to justify a page with only eight entries.

It might just be because I don't want to have to deal with yet another page right now, but I'd say at the least just give it time.

Quan-Zarr.