During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Eagleton, Vinh and Hudram.
Goku Black
He does come back in The Nikolai Duology apparently. Has anyone like read it as I'm more familiar with Shadow and Bone where he's more of a symphatetic villain but that's an adaptation so...
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lies and Violence!
I vaguely remember it. He sacrifices himself to save the world, but with the attitude of “Ha! Now you’ll have to regard me as a hero! I did nothing wrong, and you can all suck it!”
Goku Black
Since you've read the whole thing apparently. Do you think he like count? Since it seems like he's written as really ambiguous from the page....
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lies and Violence!
Maybe? The duology from what I recall really doubles down on his god complex, and his last words are something along the lines of “I regret nothing.” Don’t remember the finer details.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Sure to a cut.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 4th 2022 at 11:39:59 AM
Unless there's a subversion for Alina feeling him grieve his mom, he's gonna be a cut.
I can totally buy he abuses Baghra, mistreats her, blinds her, etc. But Alina feeling grieve her? Maybe the rest we can ignore. Not that. Chop him, get him off the list. Formal proposal to remove Darkling is given.
Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 4th 2022 at 8:33:55 AM
Yes to Vinh, I say cut the Darkling.
Goku Black
I'll go with Cut too.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, unless we're missing something, cut.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I'd say cut until someone reads over to see if that's mitigating or not.
Showtime!
Cut the Darkling
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
The Draftsman of Doom
Cut the Darkling.
Feels good, don't it?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yes to Eagleton, Vinh and Hudram.
Cut the Darkling.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 4th 2022 at 10:57:01 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Dagded Dujardin
Cut to Darkling
"Bingo! If two species hate each other, they will wipe each other out on their own."
Cut the Darkling.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Extus, Eagleton, Vinh Moc, Hudram.
Goku Black
Oh yeah Eagleton.
Missed that one
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Professor Gigachad
Cut Darkling unless we get proper verifciation.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Cut Duckling.
Cut Darkling, seriously doubt if he'll be coming through again.
Cut the Darkling.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
BTW, I used the character pages for some OV replacements. Diabolical Mastermind work for Wesker?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
unless there is a counter argument against that militating factor, then we should cut The Darkling
Cut Darkling. All DILP interpretations aside, I feel that the Darkling was always too complex to be a CM and the author did provide him with a degree of pathos that narrowly allows him to avert the trope vs. say Griffith or Johan.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So I guess we'll move the Six of Crows duo to Monster Literature R To Z.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts