Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

So he pulled a Tzekel-Kan on his own people

Yes to Pusca

Edited by Powermaster201 on Oct 22nd 2021 at 12:00:32 PM

Pusca

Pusca.

I'd really like to know where we ultimately stand on these "concepts" having candidates because isn't that all that "Fanscription" is? Literally just Doug Walker verbally walking the listener through an outline of a story? If this Myers falls into the same sort of category, then wouldn't that put all Fanscription Keepers on the chopping block?

Sure to Pusca and Till

Edited by Ravok on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:02:45 AM

Pusca sounds a yes. Sounds like the pattern is enough, never mind the attempted body count.

@Beast: I have no experience with Fanscription. Should we be scrutinizing those more closely, too? Because as far as I'm concerned, these are nothing more than script treatments, the very same kind I voted against twice. My primary difficulty is applying a YMMV item as rigid as Complete Monster to an unrealized and unfinished work.

We can have a brainstorm, we can have key plot points, we can have a plot outline, but my point is those key components are not actually part of a finished whole. It's not even that the work is incomplete; it's that it never really began production to begin with.

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:02:51 AM

Yes to Pusca.

I should note that in the case of Fanscription they also have voice acting, images, and clips telling the story so it's a bit more then just concepts in my opinion.

Not really; the Fanscription videos consist of them doing voice work; illustrating scenes in their Fix Fic; instead of just verbally going through concept points, etc. the Myers one is entirely verbal without any visuals to go along.

Edited by AustinDR on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:11:37 AM

If it's just like...bare illustrations alongside concepts and "what ifs" of a product that could be?

Cut the Fanscription candidates. All of them. This is literally no different than how we treat script treatments and unfinished/unrealized works. It's the same line of logic as to why we don't give Darth Wiki pages YMMV pages.

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:13:11 AM

Meh; I'm not really too badly hurt if we do that.

Anyway...decided to get this one out of the way after I briefly mentioned it a bit back.

What is the work?

Higurashi: Gou and Sotsu are the names of the sequel series of the anime adaptation of Higurashi: When They Cry released by Passione. Taking place after the events of the original anime where Takano was defeated, Rika finds herself back in the year of 1983 despite successfully escaping the loop before so she now has to figure out how to escape once again.

It later turns out that Satoko, her best friend, was the second looper who was the one who trapped her in the loops again and is determined to make Rika stay in Hinamizawa regardless of the costs. However, Satoko herself doesn't count due to a plethora of reasons such as her upbringing; her traumas; and how she does redeem herself in some ways at the end. Instead, I will be debating her enabler.

Who is she? What has she done?

Eua, or "Oyashiro-sama," is a mysterious godlike being who Satoko met in the Sea of Fragments, or otherwise a multiverse. After Satoko became distraught with her time at the St. Lucia Academy, she finds herself drawn to the Ritual Storehouse where she discovers a horn that had fallen from the shrine of Oyashiro-sama, the patron deity of Hinamizawa. By touching the horn, Satoko is whisked into the sea of fragments where Eua at first identifies her as Vier among other names and gives her the ability to loop in return for her entertainment. However, she also explains that those abilities would only be activated in the events of the death of the looper (though there is some implication that Eua could be lying through her teeth).

As such, Satoko goes back to 1986 and when her attempts at dissuading Rika to give up on her dream failed and she went with her to St. Lucia anyway, Satoko causes the glass chandelier to collapse and it crushes her and Rika to death starting the loops over again. From there, Satoko tries to gaslight and manipulate Rika going as far as to administer L5 of the Hinamizawa Syndrome to different characters resulting in them committing several gruesome murders during their fits of madness all as a means of making Rika break.

Meanwhile, in the Sea of Fragments, Eua lounges around enjoying all the carnage and misery her pawn is causing. However, Hanyuu herself manifests and tries to fight Eua after becoming horrified that Eua had given Satoko looping powers. The "fight" doesn't last too long due to Eua being presumably more powerful than Hanyuu and she binds her. She then forces Hanyuu to watch Satoko perform the Watanagashi ritual on Rika, as in having Satoko slice Rika open and disembowel her.

After being forced to watch Rika's suffering, Hanyuu does escape her restraints only to be suspended in the air with Eua drawing some of her blood with her staff. Hanyuu is able to make a wager with Eua, however: if she were to demonstrate a miracle to her, then she would have to leave their universe. Eua agrees saying that if Hanyuu failed, then she would cease to exist. Hanyuu does try to speak reason to Eua by saying that she was just like her at one time but that was before she came to believe in miracles. This does not deter Eua, however, and she buries Hanyuu in piles of junk but comes short of killing her.

While Rika and Satoko were fighting over Onigari-no-ryuuou, a sword that Hanyuu claims is meant to kill one who loops, they both drop the sword in their brawl, and it somehow ends up in the Sea of Fragments. Bewildered, Hanyuu resumes her battle with Eua and manages to take a slice from her horn/"memory device." This reverts Eua into a smaller version of herself. Having been proven wrong, Eua cackles and exits the universe the anime took place in.

Mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?

There was a lot of speculation of whether or not Eua was actually the Witch of Theatergoing, Drama, and Spectating Featherine Augustus Aurora, a godlike witch from the Umineko visual novels. Eh...Ryukshi07 has the tendency of being incredibly vague with a lot of his work as he himself stated in an interview that while Eua's appearance and similarities were intentional, they both had different voice actresses and Eua's name was not meant to be the same as Featherine's.

Even then, sure you could also make the argument that it lines up to what Lambdadelta mentioned about how Featherine's memory device got broken and that caused a drastic change in her personality and appearance, Eua becomes a...kind of chibi-fied version of herself. That, and she looks more like Hanyuu as well. But what should be noted is that even despite that drastic change, she is nevertheless the same sadistic troll she already was, which could contradict Lamdadelta's statement. Overall, there could be said to be heavy hints that Eua and Featherine are the same person, but when you really look at all of it, it overall is largely sketchy. It was also mentioned that there could possibly be even more high beings than Eua, but they are not shown.

With Satoko, Eua obviously only values her at first because of how much entertainment she was giving her by brutalizing Rika and her friends and secretly was creating Satoko's witch half and sadistically watches the witch half seemingly kill Satoko's human side.

As for the deal she made to Hanyuu to leave if she were to demonstrate a miracle to her, she does seemingly keep it and leaves...but that is after she caused a ton of suffering and pain on Hanyuu and the others. It feels insincere all things considered and there is no indication that Eua would seriously honor her part of the deal. But I'll leave that up to you to decide. To me, comes off more like that one scene of Rock and Rule where Mok gave Angel her bandmates back...only after they were drooling vegetables.

Heinous standard

So in the series, we have Miyo Takano who is the mastermind behind the loops where Rika is killed and then causes the Great Hinamizawa Disaster that ensures the deaths of over 2,000 villagers to prevent the spread of the virus. She also has the backing of Tokyo, more specifically Nomura, who has her own reasons for financing Takano's research into the Hinamizawa Syndrome such as using it to create a bioweapon that would make Japan into the next superpower.

Then there's Satoko herself who drugs her own friends driving them to become insane, homicidal maniacs that kill several people during their rampages, and then there is her brutalizing Rika and trying to gaslight her into staying in Hinamizawa with her and coldly felt that her actions were weightless due to how she could just travel to the next fragment.

Eua is the one directly responsible for giving Satoko those powers and restarting the loops meaning that she is responsible for all the bad things that happen in Gou and Sotsu by being a serial enabler. There is also that bit of personal cruelty such as her laughing in Hanyuu's face as she forces her to watch Satoko gut Rika (especially bad when you know that Hanyuu gave Rika looping powers because that reminded her of her own daughter that she had thousands of years ago).

Conclusion

Would have to level with you: I lowkey hated Gou and Sotsu because they felt unnecessary due to how the series originally wrapped itself up somewhat nicely. I just completely hate that Satoko was made a villain whose motivations amounted to "I hate studying." Eua was absolutely pointless in the overall scheme of things as well particularly the whole "is she Featherine or is she not?" Ryukishi is notorious for never fully committing to connecting Higurashi and Umineko aside from some minor allusions that are baseless.

But going back to Eua, I will leave it up to you on whether she genuinely keeps her word at the end or not.

Edited by AustinDR on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:35:49 AM

Yeah, Walter and Rob (sometimes Doug) clearly set up a visual and audio presentation (occasionally with video clips) that's not so unlike one of those books on video you would see as a kid.

I say keep them all.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:15:30 AM

You know I really don't care, I just feel like there is a difference personally, but that could just be me. These are finished products. They aren't just people talking. These have voice acting dialog, actual images, and so on.

That said I won't lose any sleep if we decide to cut them.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:16:26 AM

Unfortunately I can't discuss this too long ATM (again, I'm going on a trip tomorrow, gotta be up early, and it's currently midnight where I am, so I really ought to be hitting the hay).

I'll just say if they'll go, they go. I (literally) can't lose sleep over it. It's literally fan works (not fully novelized or filmed ones at that).

That's all I can say for now, sorry.

Edited by Beast on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:16:36 AM

I am unsure on Eua.

I get Mok Swagger vibes from that stunt Eua pulls at the end after discussing it with you. TBH, no issue saying "yes" to her.

Formerly or formally? The former implies you don't hold that view anymore, which I'm kinda thinking isn't the case.

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:20:39 AM

I am thinking Eua is a as well.

I'm formerly saying to keeping every FS candidate. They're all very clear and concise narratives.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:20:34 AM

to Eua

I don't have a strong opinion on the Fanscription stuff, though I am leaning towards a keep, though I will point out doing this will mean losing the entire Fanscription and that one Banana Splits one, oh and the Halloween one.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:25:04 AM

I'm holding every single Fanscription entry to the same standard. If there's not enough material there beyond a script treatment, there's not enough to trope for something like Complete Monster. Having a "concise narrative" doesn't matter to me because it's still ultimately only a plot outline, a sketch of what-could-be instead of a three-dimensional plot in an actual, realized work of fiction. What we're troping is a couple of guys in a camera discussing "hey, maybe this, maybe that."

Sure; I'll vote to delete the page with all that being laid out.

Like I said I don't agree, but also don't really care either way. However, if we cut the Halloween one we should cut all of them to. To be consistent.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:27:21 AM

Each video is meant to build off the movie its reimagining, so I feel like canonizing certain elements is meant to flesh out what is a full story with all the important making of one. Again, it's a lot like one of those old Dr. Seuss videos where you hear someone reading the book and the pictures are shown. We get dialogue through voice acting too as Bull pointed out, so a presentation is DEFINITELY being displayed.

Formally put me as "chop-chop" for both McRae's Myers and every single Fanscription entry.

Choppity-choppity-chop

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:33:20 AM

What about this one?

• The Banana Splits: What if Bingo had a larger role...?: The Animatronic version of Bingo manages to be far worse than in the original film. Tired of being the Butt-Monkey of the Banana Splits, he comes up with a plan to kill everyone who's mistreated him by tricking the Splits into killing both the guests and staff members, starting by brutally killing Stevie. Cheerfully killing Doug with his drumsticks, Bingo later gets knocked off a indoor set bridge trying to kill another survivor. Having survived the fall, he kills Poppy with an axe, as well as his creator, Carl, cracking a sick joke during the deed. At the climax, Bingo confronts the survivors, and taunts them about how he manipulated his fellow animatronics into killing people, insulting all of them in the process, and goes in to kill the survivors before being stopped by Snorky, with the two getting into a brutal fight, ending with Bingo ripping Snorky's "heart" out, cruelly taunting the elephant before getting killed himself.

Yeah; basically that one has to be snipped.