During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Professor Gigachad
He will never die.
The Moron
Oh my god I'm fucking dying ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
it still looks normal to me though, I wonder why I don't see that
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:14:15 PM
Holy shit, I am wheezing right now, omfg.
Professor Gigachad
Goku Black
Somone might want to file this in Bug Report.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Moron
Okay wait, so for some reason I see Ultron on my computer, but I see Boss Baby on my phone. I'm so confused right now but I'm also laughing even harder
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Mind taking a screen capture with Ultron? That may be a way to get it back if necessary.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
You can get the old image back with the Wayback Machine. Just right click and hit "Save Image As".
The Moron
Should I screenshot or just copy the source code? I just copied the code from the page and Ultron came up like so:
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:30:50 PM
Professor Gigachad
The Unknown Unknown
The epitome of Complete Monsterdom, ya'll.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Wu.
The Moron
@ACW: I've got the code for the entire header copied with potholes, quote, and everything - I can PM it to you if you want, just so you have it in case the page needs fixed after the bug is cleaned out
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Thanks...looks like Ordeaux got it though.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Moron
Good God I just checked on my phone and what I see as Ultron on my post is the freaking Boss Baby on my phone.... I've really got nothing for this. Like, I see mine and Ordeaux's posts like this:
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
The image also potholes to WesternAnimation.Next Avengers Heroes Of Tomorrow
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 1:33:18 PM
Why...are we changing perfection?
...oh and yes to Wu
The Draftsman of Doom
~Tropers/ACW, Just in case it craps out again:
[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ultrontakesmanhattan.PNG]]
[[caption-width-right:350:[[ComicBook/{{Ultron}} "Now ends the Avengers!"]]]]
A total has-been.
So Ultron was really the Boss Baby this whole time? Now that is a true shocker! Better go back and look at everything Ultron ever featured in to see if there was any foreshadowing that we just didn't pick up on!
Boss Baby image, really captures the heinousness of his crimes in the Marvel Universe
Professor Gigachad
I fixed the image on Monster: Marvel Animation
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
The Emperor of Evil!
I'm surprised no one did an effortpost on Boss Baby after all this time lmao
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Snuff Wu and... Boss Baby image? Man, the late April Fools jokes just keep coming, don’t they?
TBH I kind of want to keep it like this. Like, the motherfucking Boss Baby is the page image for Complete Monster's of Marvel Animation. Not even doing anything heinous or anything. Just Boss Baby, on a transparent background.
Oh you best believe I saved that shit!