This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Ok, I admit it. I'm dotheroar and Amour Le Fou. Do I have to delete my account now?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Not necessarily, but it does mean you're bounced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 25th 2023 at 7:40:25 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
In the South Park Characters index at the other students isle, can add Shrinking Violet to Heidi Turner's folder, because she shows some hints of that
~Tropers/The_Dag appeal
First, please be patient. A few days, like this, is already stated in the header to be a normal response time.
You were told that your Forum Games ban is permanent, so you can't appeal that ban. We can, however, discuss your current wiki ban, which is because you edited someone's troper wall to discuss forum games...despite specifically being banned from forum games and PM's for your bad behavior. That's circumvention and is explicitly disallowed.
~Crimson Oddball appeal
You were suspended for Edit Warring (read that page please) with this edit. If you disagree with a change or removal to one of your edits, you must obtain agreement/consensus to put it back, not just do it and argue in the edit reasons. Where does Edit War say you can have such conversations?
~Neo Silver Thorn appeal
You still have to address the behavior which got you suspended, which was a rude response to an Example Indentation notifier. In your last reply here you were complaining about double standards and claiming people were looking over your shoulder while editing rather than addressing that so...
~Tropers/Bomber-Boi appeal
You have two notifiers for Zero-Context Examples, but it still shows up in your edits.
Here, for example, you remove the comment markup (%%) on ZC Es without expanding it. That is essentially adding a Zero-Context Example. Please read that page thoroughly and then revise these examples so that they are no longer ZCE (protip: the trope name is not context). Post your revisions here.
- Demon Slaying: What the Special Circumstances unit is occasionally called upon for doing.
- God Is Good: Again, it's a pro-Christian series. This trope is a given.
This is why we recommend that users read the notifiers they receive, as well as the accompanying administrivia. You have two notifiers for Zero-Context Examples, and that page explains the %% markup:
All work pages, regardless of how large their audience is or how much traffic they get, should be up to par.
You can view other page editors by looking at the "history" page. It is on the same banner as the edit button.
Now that that has been cleared up, could you answer the question that was posed to you?
~Tropers/Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua appeal
Let's get one thing straight first. You are not entitled to proposing Complete Monster candidates, nor are you entitled to editing the wiki. These are privileges that are extended to users as long as they follow the rules. You have not, and so you will remain suspended until we have sufficiently over the policies that you have not been following.
- In this edit:
- You've committed an Edit War (read that page — it would get you suspended off the bat) by redoing an edit of yours that someone else changed.
- Your edit reason is really hostile. Don't threaten other users because you don't like their edits.
- The hostility continues in posts like this one, and in edits like this one.
- Other tropers have mentioned that you have a tendency to rush your interactions in the Complete Monster thread in general, such as by asking questions that are already answered in pinned posts.
- And you were discussing your ban in the Complete Monster thread, which isn't allowed either. You were told not to that by another moderator, but you kept doing it (this is why you are also now suspended from there).
All this goes back to the first point — you act very entitled regarding Complete Monster. This extends to how you think other users should conduct themselves, and how specific edits should look. Before we even get to the rest of the issues, we have to emphasize that this attitude is not allowed. This is a collaborative environment — Complete Monster more than most other items — and if you are not able to play nice with other tropers, then you cannot edit. Is that clear?
~Scuba Wolf appeal
Suspensions do not have a default time limit. They last until we are convinced that you understand the problem and won't repeat it.
In your case, you have a problem in the US Politics thread. Wishing death on politicians, no matter how much you dislike them, is not allowed. Neither is raging at other users. Thumps should have gotten the message that something is not allowed, but it kept happening, hence the ban. Will you be able to conduct yourself appropriately in the future?
~Gecko 12 appeal
Your suspension is because you have repeatedly been editing an entry to say "(in)famous". That is Edit Warring and merits a suspension. The necessity or lack thereof of this specific edit aside (even on Horrible/, you shouldn't excessively complain), you are generally not allowed to redo an edit of yours without agreement or consensus from other users. Can you read Edit War and tell us where you can hold those discussions?
~Tropers/Fourthspartan appeal
Neither, you just never posted here after this post letting us know that you actually wanted PM's back. That's a separate discussion.
In your case, you tend to get defensive in private messages after you are thumped. You repeatedly respond with "why was I punished when other users weren't". Contesting a thump once or twice is not really objectionable note , but this has happened enough times for us to think that you are probably the problem. If you want PM's back, you have to resolve to drop this behavior. If you are thumped, consider your rhetoric and how other users have been responding to it. Remember that feeling like you are the Most Correct is not as important as contributing to civil, polite conversation.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 30th 2023 at 10:23:48 AM
Responding to: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=5cma6iojg5o27puhulc24sje&page=1289#comment-32221
Looking over the rules you linked to, I assume the examples I wrote should have been more like:
- Daria:
- Example 1
- Example 2
and
- Fear Street example
- Ghosts of Fear Street example
All better. The initial Wham Line example had the line, not the "wham", while the Promotion to Parent and Strong Family Resemblance examples did not clarify the relationships between the characters.
Do you have any other questions about Zero-Context Examples? Can we trust that you'll follow this policy in the future?
~Lt Fedora appeal
The policy page is Notifiers. We can't "reset your count", and you are not obliged to respond to them, but you are obliged to learn the rules so you don't get any more. Feel free to browse administrivia as necessary. Your suspension is released.
~Tropers/Thorion appeal
Right. You can also use Ask The Tropers and the forums if you want to involve outside opinions. Remember that you need to get consensus before redoing an edit. Your suspension is released.
~Blaze Flash 9726 appeal
We have an "email for PM" function that you can toggle if you go to your private messages page, though I can't personally say how well it works.
However, unless you're PM banned (you're not), if you're in a position to edit, you're in a position to read your messages. In this case, you were not messaged until you'd already readded it. The readdition is what we're trying to emphasize was against the rules — in the future, you should reach out before recreating your edit.
~Raymond 1 appeal
Yes, averting an Edit War via private messages is one such method. However, you will not always get a resolution (e.g. they don't respond, or you can't come to an agreement). Can you name one more location on this website Edit War recommends to hold discussions?
~Riley Gronlund Super Mario appeal
No. We want to make sure that you're actually changing, not just acting on your best behavior for a few weeks. Since you have exercised poor enough judgement to get suspended twice in a short amount of time, we're probably looking at a year at least. This part is not negotiable.
~Chris X appeal
Again, we'd prefer that you don't get grammar notifiers at all. Mind your Example Indentation and How Indexing Works as well, since you have more recent notifiers for those. Remember that this may be your last chance — your suspension is released.
All right. There is no need to post here again until you have felt like you have had several contributions over a long period of time.
~Black Faith Star appeal
Even if this wasn't a snipe at moderation, it's still drama importation, which...you get it. No more of that going forward.
We have no ban on Palestinian media at all. Knock yourself out. Your suspension is released.
~Trope Roper appeal
You got it. Your suspension is released.
~Mono Tom appeal
Umm...what does that have to do with our last post to you?
~Joe Merl appeal
Correct. Sometimes it's also acceptable to group works from the same franchise together under a franchise bullet, e.g.
- Star Wars
- Movie 1: Example
- Movie 2
- Example
- Example
But each work should be on its own "parent bullet", and separate examples should be on separate bullets. Is the Example Indentation clear now?
@Synchronicity
I will follow the policy as closely as I can in the future. I also have no further questions for the Zero-Context Examples and rectify the previous three examples like this:
- Wham Line -> Call-Forward: After Delilah collects the 42 Spider-bots that Spider-Man found all throughout New York in the side mission "The Message", her last line before disappearing is one big foreshadowing of Spider-Man's eventual meeting with the Spider Society.
Delilah: And if Miguel comes looking for these, tell him 'finders keepers.'Spider-Man: Wait—who's Miguel?
- Promoted to Parent: After Earthia is rendered immobile upon her transformation into a tree, Galaxia takes up the active role of raising the then-infant Cosmo. In turn, Cosmo affectionately calls Galaxia "Onee-sama" in the original Japanese dub. [Erased]
- Strong Family Resemblance: Galaxia looks like an older blue version of Cosmo, which makes sense as they're sisters. [Erased]
Edited by Potential1900 on Nov 26th 2023 at 1:49:37 AM
@Synchronicity
I apologize for the unintentional edit war.
I had lost track of the fact that Distaff Counterpart was my edit in the 5 days since I had added it, and that I'd therefore be the third edit in a repeating chain.
Excuses aside however, I am aware that the proper procedure for when another troper makes changes or removes to my edits that I disagree with is to try to discuss it with them via PM, or utilize the article's discussion page, or discuss it with them and/or others on Ask The Tropers, to reach a consensus.
I acknowledge my mistake and I will strive to take more care in the future to avoid this problem again.
As a quick aside, if you are willing, I would like to use this opportunity to ask for clarification regarding edits, to further my understanding and better avoid any future problems.
My understanding is that an edit war specifically occurs when specific edits are repeated (or functionally repeated)
If Troper A makes an edit, Troper B makes changes (additions/clarifications/rephrasing/etc) to it, and then Troper C removes some or all of Troper B's edit. Is it considered an edit war if Troper A then restores B's edit?
And is there any specific span of time that matters between Troper A editing something, and then repeating the edit again?
Edited by CrimsonOddball on Nov 26th 2023 at 2:26:03 AM
@Synchronicity
I will behave myself in the future, and will avoid posting anything like I did prior. I deserve anything that comes my way if I do not behave, and will accept the consequences should that time come.
"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Gaming Fanatic
Ah, I see, those Zero Context Examples. Truth be told, I'm not very familiar with the Special Circumstances series, so I'm not able to provide much context there aside from what I could get from the rest of TV Tropes' article, but I felt that given that context, the Demon Slaying and God Is Good tropes felt self-evident enough for those pithy summations to suffice — Demon Slaying being part of the protagonists' job description, and God Is Good because it’s a Christian series and God is assumed to be benevolent by default in the Abrahamic POV. Apparently, they were not. Again, I don't actually know the series, and I don't know how much of a role God plays in it. I am legitimately confused how the Demon Slaying example is "Zero Context", since it's a thing the protagonists do and the rest of the article goes into detail on that about as well as it can. Well, I suppose there's not much to be done but to cover those back up and move on. I'll be more cautious about revising and uncovering commented-out tropes in the future.
Edited by Bomber-Boi on Nov 26th 2023 at 4:33:12 AM
@Synchronicity
Yes, I think I've got it, and sorry for my mistakes.
Edited by JoeMerl on Nov 26th 2023 at 5:36:09 AM
Interfector
@Synchronicity
I am honestly admitting I did the wrong thing and want to promise not to try to not repeat my bad behaviour.
Mankind is unloveable. No more kindness!
Instead of edit warring I could
Use the article's discussion page/put a discussion page to talk on
DM the other troper about the edit war
Put it on Ask the Tropers
Use the forums to discuss this
Thanks. And don't worry, I understood that part once I found out what an edit war was. I will not make that mistake again.
Well, another possible solution that comes to my mind, in case a solution or a compromise between the two parts isn't reached, is asking for an administrator's or a moderator's opinion.
I think I was suspended because I posted less than 3 tropes on Dexter episode recap pages. I wasn't trying to fill out the episode pages, just simply trying to get things going by posting the tropes I could remember. I wasn't trying to create stub articles, I didn't realize it was a problem, would like to edit again. Was also unsure how to make it so at the bottom of an episode page, you have the links to the episodes before and after. Wasn't sure how to do that.
Was I rude? Yes. I admit that. Mea culpa. I was frustrated. I apologize.
As for the formatting rules: While I do try and follow them, I'm not sure I quite get the reason for the current indentation rules simply skipping straight to the secondary bullets with multiple examples of a trope. It might just be me, but it doesn't seem to do any actual space saving, nor does it look particularly organized. It just looks messy to my eye, like someone edited out the example but didn't remove the secondary examples or the trope.
Maybe that's just the obsessive-compulsive part of my mind, abhorring the wasted space.
Ah, well. Figured I'd ask, since it'd been a year. Have a good one.
First of all, I am not like those other people who directly disrespected you, you know like you said, “I am better than you, you don’t know English, profanity” all that. Secondly, I put in those edits specifically because I actually did the research like with the anime version of Wolverine not being well received. But I honestly don’t care about the Scrappy entries, because frankly they are one of my least favorites and rightly so, so go ahead and undo them. And finally, I understand that I will play nice with the other troopers and will follow the rules and will no longer make implications that I am childish and entitled like I have been lately. I thoroughly apologize for my behavior and from this point onward, I shall only do minor edits (such as grammar and missing tropes) and if you allow me, the only thing I will do in the Complete Monster forum is ask questions if I am lost or confused, but that’s obvious, you know like how does this guy count, and of course making direct proposals on what guy should be added onto there, as I have done successfully, apparently, and will gladly do again. Otherwise, you will never again see me act irresponsible like those other guys (that you already blocked, not the guys I am discussing the monsters with, just so you don’t blatantly misunderstand me again), and you will hold me to that promise, as I will too. I take full responsibility for the situation and will not deny or wrongly justify myself in any way. Sorry for all the problems and I hope you can forgive me, Synchronicity and everyone else. I hope you will allow me to fix my mistakes.
Edited by Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua on Nov 29th 2023 at 7:30:01 AM
Pardon Quois? Is my recent suspension in any way related to my two attempts at trying to list Opaline Arcana from the My Little Pony (Generation 5) page as "Stupid Evil", or does it have something to do with me linking to Malty Melromarc from The Rising of the Shield Hero as an analog to compare Opaline against in-terms of exactly how Stupid Evil she is? If it should be instead listed into the YMMV category for Generation 5, I'd understand it.
May I ask why I was suspended? If I broke any rules, I'd love to undo my mistakes.
Gaming Fanatic
…Okay, let me see if this is good for the Special Circumstances ZCEs.
- Demon Slaying: As the header stated, the Special Circumstances unit is often tasked with solving supernatural crimes that mundane law enforcement can't handle. Sometimes this involves hunting down and dealing with demons who are causing trouble on Earth.
- God Is Good: Well, it's a pro-Christian series, so this is a given — especially since religious faith actually does work in terms of fending off supernatural beasts and monsters.
Can I be allowed to edit again, please?
Edited by Bomber-Boi on Nov 30th 2023 at 7:59:36 AM
I understand the rules. I just forget to think before I act sometimes. Can you send me a draft of how to post something? I think that would help me.
What is going on??
Please may I be allowed to edit?
Synchronicity
I think it's clear. It's okay to have two jokes on the same indentation if they tie to each other well enough, and there's no need to make another indentation to separate them.