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holygrail24 Shadow Ranger from Toronto Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Desperate
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#1: Mar 27th 2024 at 11:06:46 AM

Decided to make this as a suggestion post instead, so thoughts?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/spiritual_antithesis_1.jpg
Left: The original Roadside Picnic featuring Redrick. Right: Its spiritual antithesis Otherside Picnic featuring Toriko and Sorawo.

Reason:

  • Otherside Picnic is this to its main inspiration, Roadside Picnic. Both stories have the main characters dealing with anomalies and otherworldly creatures, as well as with them hunting extraterrestrial artifacts for monetary purposes, but they are executed differently. Whereas Roadside Picnic focuses on Redrick's journey into the Zone to search for artifacts and is a stalker, Sorawo and Toriko are not stalkers (as only Abarato embodies that trope) and are instead two women in university visiting the Otherside working for Kozakura. The setting between two stories also heavily differentiates. Whereas the Zone is visible in plain sight and can be traversed anywhere, the Otherside is hidden from plain sight and requires very specific ways to visit it. The Stalker archetype between two stories is contrasted. Roadside Picnic fully invokes the trope while Otherside Picnic is a Decomposite Character variant of it, with Abarato being the embodiment of the archetype but Sorawo and Toriko are the ones who hunt down artifacts. The main character of Roadside Picnic, Redrick, is a cynical, jaded family man who is married and is middle-aged. Otherside Picnic's Sorawo and Toriko are both younger women who are in a reluctant platonic relationship which moves away into text and becomes canonized as a romantic relationship in Volume 3; then in Volume 8 where they get a Relationship Upgrade into an Official Couple.

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#2: Mar 27th 2024 at 11:33:40 AM

[up]IDK, not a big fan of the suggestion

FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#3: Mar 27th 2024 at 11:58:07 AM

Also not a fan, I don't see how they're connected outside of the fact that "Picnic" is in the title of both; and if I have to read an example to understand the context, it's not a good image. [tdown]

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#4: Mar 27th 2024 at 1:47:43 PM

Not a fan. I don't understand it without the explanation, and an image isn't going to get that much on-page talk.

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GracieLizzy Usagi's done something stupid again (she/her) from Sunderland, UK Since: Dec, 2012
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#6: Mar 27th 2024 at 2:12:58 PM

I have a thought, I think the repsective work pages on Neon Genesis Evangelion and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann do a pretty good job of looking like one is the [[deconstruction]] (or at least pessimistic take on) and [[reconstruction]] (or at least optimistic to the max take on) the Super Robot genre. We're allowed image duplication with works and I not proposing we change them for that reason but how about this:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/evagurren.png

I think the similar compositions but the differing color palettes works? I could put the release years on as well.

As for the work pages, whilst I don't want to change those I do think we could at least get versions of the images with the logos on, I found these online:

Neon Genesis Evangelion

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/evatitle.png

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/gurrentitle.jpg

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.
Earnest from Monterrey Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#7: Mar 27th 2024 at 6:04:17 PM

I think 6.1 can work, though maybe with a vertical arrangement to better show the big smile on the guy in the center.

For my part, here's a couple using Pan's Labyrinth and Alice in Wonderland.
7.1

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/antithesis_alice_pans_labyrinth_0.png


7.2
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/antithesis_alice_pans_labyrinth_1.png

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#8: Mar 28th 2024 at 12:25:19 AM

I think an Alice poster that shows the rabbit hole imagery would better contrast with that Pan poster.

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GracieLizzy Usagi's done something stupid again (she/her) from Sunderland, UK Since: Dec, 2012
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#9: Mar 28th 2024 at 4:37:21 AM

I think going for the original Literature.Alices Adventures In Wonderland could make that easier than the Disney film.

Some ideas:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000008821.png

Using the British Film Institute special edition cover:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000008819.png

With the classic Alice cover:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000008818.png

I rather like the last one both have young girls interacting with a creature but you can see the body language differences between curiosity and caution.

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.
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#10: Mar 28th 2024 at 5:21:20 AM

I harbour irrational hatred for Zootopia....but here it is with Beastars

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/senza_titolo_20_20240328131755.png

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#12: Mar 28th 2024 at 10:10:44 AM

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#14: Mar 28th 2024 at 1:15:50 PM

Ooof, tough choice. I think I favor 9.1 / 9.3 over 10 because the visuals are less crowded. The Beastars poster is good, but it takes a bit longer to parse that they're animal people.

[up][up][up][up] I get the feeling; I think Black Mirror is overhyped, but sometimes it just does have a good pic for a trope.

GracieLizzy Usagi's done something stupid again (she/her) from Sunderland, UK Since: Dec, 2012
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#15: Mar 28th 2024 at 1:29:12 PM

I have to admit I don't see "spiritual antithesis" with the Zootopia and Beastars images because I just see anthropomorphic animal works with different tones. Ast the Beastars poster doesn't show they are both about the relationship between a canine and and a rabbit in a modern city setting they don't look that connected. But the idea isn't without merit, this could work maybe?:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/zoobeasts.png

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#16: Mar 28th 2024 at 1:50:40 PM

I don't love the Zootopia/Beastars one either. Speaking as someone who doesn't know what Beastars is, it's not clear enough to me.

Maybe this pairing from the options in 9? We get the visual of a magical white-furred creature guiding a little girl, but everything else is completely different.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0000spiritualantithesis.png

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#17: Mar 28th 2024 at 2:23:50 PM

[up][tup]

Idk what the fuck Beastars even is, so I'll go for the comparison where I know what both are.

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#18: Mar 28th 2024 at 2:57:10 PM

I know what Beastars is, but the image in 10 doesn't clearly contrast with the Zootopia poster. ^^ works for me

Eta: missed 15, that one is also fine

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 28th 2024 at 11:10:11 AM

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#22: Mar 30th 2024 at 5:51:28 PM

[tup] 16. I don't think the connection between the two in 15 is evident enough.

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#23: Mar 30th 2024 at 5:59:58 PM

Changing my vote to 16 > 15 [tup]

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