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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#1: Mar 15th 2023 at 8:41:54 PM

This is not something that needs a Sugar Wiki page. It's not particularly large or fleshed out, unlike something like JustForFun.The Ugly Barnacle for instance. There can be a legit work page at WebAnimation.Saturday Morning Watchmen, but not this. I've started a sandbox to show what it's supposed to look like when it's moved there: Sandbox.Saturday Morning Watchmen. If people think it's good enough, we should move it there and delete this.

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#2: Mar 15th 2023 at 9:43:54 PM

Opened.

Seconding the move, using sandbox contents.

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#10: Mar 16th 2023 at 5:07:36 PM

I'd prefer to keep it as is. It's not causing any problems, and there's nothing stoping soneone from making a serious work page for SMW if they want to while also letting this exist

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#11: Mar 16th 2023 at 6:21:24 PM

I'm fine with a move, mostly because I'm not sure why it's in Sugar Wiki to begin with.

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#13: Mar 17th 2023 at 2:21:49 AM

[up][up][up]At minimum it needs to move to a different name since it's not actually about any official version of Watchmen.

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#14: Mar 17th 2023 at 3:16:05 AM

I could have sworn that the Saturday Morning Watchmen name was already used by the page at one point, but I'm not sure if it was moved to the name of the official comic or if it's just the Mandela effect.

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#15: Mar 17th 2023 at 11:33:05 AM

Why are so many tropes removed in the sandbox edit?

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#16: Mar 17th 2023 at 11:58:39 AM

[up] The page as it currently exists is a humor page that pretends that 'Saturday Morning Watchmen' was a legit children's cartoon, complete with tropes for made-up episodes. Because it's not actually troping the real work (the web animation called 'Saturday Morning Watchmen' that pretends to be the opening to this nonexistent work), it's in Sugar Wiki. What is being proposed is to rework it into a legit work page for the web animation, which requires reworking it from the ground up and deleting a lot of the page's humor that came from the made-up episodes.

Could we not have the legit page at WebAnimation.Saturday Morning Watchmen, and move the current humor page to SugarWiki.Saturday Morning Watchmen, rather than deleting the sugar wiki page entirely?

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#17: Mar 17th 2023 at 11:59:51 AM

Shouldn't it be in JFF, then? Not Sugar?

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#18: Mar 17th 2023 at 12:00:45 PM

I guess so? I'm not clear on what the difference is between JFF and SW to be honest, I'd just prefer the content not be outright deleted if it isn't causing any problems. If it's better at JustForFun.Saturday Morning Watchmen, that's fine with me.

Edited by Orbiting on Mar 17th 2023 at 3:01:24 PM

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#19: Mar 17th 2023 at 12:02:13 PM

JFF is a superindex of joke pages, including fake works. Sugar wiki is for light and fluffy and gushy things, which this isn't.

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#20: Mar 17th 2023 at 12:42:02 PM

On second thought, this is absolutely JFF. Move it there.

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#21: Mar 17th 2023 at 2:20:10 PM

Don't made-up works go to Darth, though? Or am I mixing that up with the unpublished works rule.

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#22: Mar 17th 2023 at 2:27:29 PM

Yeah, that's unpublished works. JFF has a ton of entirely fictional works (such as JustForFun.Disneys Anne Frank) / work pages for works-within-works (such as JustForFun.Daring Do). The point I think is that the Darth pages aren't joke pages, but are personal projects, while JFF pages are open for the community to add to and alter.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 17th 2023 at 5:28:01 AM

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#23: Mar 17th 2023 at 3:25:25 PM

Like I said, the page isn't very large, several examples are ZCEs, and in general it's lazy. At least with the imaginary work pages that WarJay listed, there's a good amount of tropes and examples as well as a fleshed-out description, making it a more interesting page about a fictional work which helps the reader imagine what it could be like and/or pushes the editors' creativity (JustForFun.The Ugly Barnacle is just two sentences of actual story, but you can see how big the page is because of how far it stretched), while this is almost devoid of that. If SelfDemonstrating.Character Pages have to be held up to at least some standard, this should too. (Also, deleting this would avoid a potential issue with the work page having a duplicate image to a joke page, because I don't think either could get a better image than a title card with the characters, but whether this is a problem is for IP to decide.)

Edited by Piterpicher on Mar 17th 2023 at 11:59:10 AM

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#24: Mar 17th 2023 at 3:32:40 PM

I'm changing my vote to moving this to JustForFun.Saturday Morning Watchmen instead of WebAnimation.Saturday Morning Watchmen per what was said about the examples.

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Concerns have been raised that SugarWiki.Watchmen isn't a good fit for Sugar Wiki, since it describes a made-up work, and it's been pointed out that it's called Saturday Morning Watchmen instead of just Watchmen. While an online joke video does exist, this page is not directly about it and is instead a joke page featuring made-up trope examples, so since Work Pages Are A Free Launch, a page for the video itself can be made independently of this thread at WebAnimation.Saturday Morning Watchmen.

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