Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Can you please say where he's from
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Collector of Worlds
I had a rough idea for a header for the FNAF Fan Works header:
"Considering the subjects Five Nights at Freddy's often tackles, it's no surprise that some of these fans have handled these subjects with some particularly monstrous individuals."
Again, just a rough idea and apologies if it's a bit soon.
I will claim what is rightfully mine, and rebuild the Kryptonian Empire.
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I'm good with that header.
Can I get some opinion on my rewrites?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Header and rewrites work.
Tokyo Ghoul guy's EP. It says that any sympathetic qualities of his are squashed by the end?
No. Those sympathetic qualities are shown in his literal last scene. So they are definitely not squashed
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Image Pickin' threads for Fan Games (current image being moved to FNAF Fan Works) & RWBY (Cinder getting cut).
If anyone else agrees with Turles, you can change the header.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Do you have images of the scene in question?
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Yes.
Edited by MasterN on Feb 2nd 2024 at 7:29:13 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Are you talking to me Master N?
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Feb 2nd 2024 at 6:58:34 AM
"The Juice is Loose."
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the FNAF Fan Work header. Though it has a sink hole with the work link, Would Hurt a Child, and Serial Killer all right next to each other that needs to be fixed.
Now we just need a header and quote for Monster: Dragon Ball Fan Works.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 2nd 2024 at 8:59:37 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Furuta's death is in the Cap 176 of Re.
His last moments are remembering his childhood and the good times with Rize.
The thing is...Saying that Furuta is controlling would be actually putting it tame. Furuta outright crippled Rize and made her fodder of experimentation to fulfill his delusions of power.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 2nd 2024 at 10:23:33 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Yeah I got to think of a better way to add the links.
Proposed a quote and header previously, neither got much feedback, here they are again:
Much like the original franchise, many villains in the fanworks of Akira Toriyama's famous series can be incredibly vile, be they original characters or ones from canon.
"The Juice is Loose."
To both the quote and header.
Any better:
Considering the subjects that the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise often tackles, it's no surprise that some of these fans have handled these subjects with some particularly monstrous individuals.
His realtionship with Rize isn’t redeeming but the issue is that they pain his desire to be normal sympatheticly before that scene and during the flashback. And him remembering his desire for a normal life mid battle
I have a hard time seeing her this is not an Mittgatting “alas poor villain” moment not just by the hero but the narrative
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Feb 2nd 2024 at 8:24:40 AM
"The Juice is Loose."
Hi! This is the first time I propose a cut.
I'd like to discuss Syakesan/Sal from Wadanohara and the Great Blue Sea with new information from the manga and the reboot. While both media expand on his character, the reboot adds to the game his drop item and the bonus videos "At the end of the hate" (translated text), "Memories" (translated text), and "The promise that couldn't be kept" (translated text).
Both the manga and the reboot reveal that Sal and his brother, Samekichi, had a sickly and depressed mother who eventually killed herself in front of him when they were young children. It's heavily implied that this trauma is the reason he joined the Sea of Death.
A notable moment in the manga is Sal's response when Wadanohara asks him the reason for his actions: Sal says there is nothing she can do about it as he recalls the memory of his young self clinging to his mother's dead body on the beach.
The final nail in the coffin to me is the bonus video "At the end of the hate", which shows Samekichi after he decides to go after his brother to the Sea of Death in the main story. Sal asks Samekichi to kill him as he admits that he's tired of dreaming of the night his mother killed herself over and over. Sal calls his brother an idiot before saying his last words: "…………I'm sorry, Aonami [Aonami being Samekichi's real name]. …………Goodbye."
Edited by IukaSylvie on Feb 3rd 2024 at 2:53:05 AM
Are the manga and rerelease the same continuity or a different one? If they're different continuities then they don't effect the original keeping
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
The main story is the same in at least the original game and the reboot. The manga is generally faithful to the original game as far as I know.
For those curious, here are the changes and additions listed for the reboot:
- Eight stories added to the bonus video section.
- Eight additional songs added to the soundtrack.
- Complete rebalancing of all battles, as well as added attack patterns.
- Unique animations for all weapons, aside from the initial equipment.
- Additional animation to the title call.
- Boss enemies have additional attacks.
- Bosses will drop items related to themselves upon defeat.
- Added dialogue and sprites to certain bad ends.
- Watching all the endings is now possible from the Bonus Room.
- The player can now change outfits within the Bonus Room (pajamas, white sailor outfit, blue sailor outfit).
- Additional cameo appearances.
Edited by IukaSylvie on Feb 3rd 2024 at 2:59:39 AM
Rerelease is a different continuity, unsure about manga. Also yeah reboot Sal already doesn't count because he cared about his mom.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Feb 3rd 2024 at 2:00:39 AM
If the manga is definitely canon then Sal is a cut, but yeah the rerelease wouldn't affect the original Sal keeping since they're two different versions of the same game.
Lizzid people!
I am aware of the reboot. That was brought up before back on the old forum. As far as the reboot goes, it was updated with new information that was not present in the original version hence that is why the writeup specifies that the original incarnation counts.
He has a similar issue to Zouken, his death where despite how evil he is his desire to have a normal life is met with sympathy by Kankei and he literally dies dreaming of the life he never had. All of this makes it hard for me to say he is CM where is literal last moments in the story give his actual motives sympathy points.
So I say he should be cut
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Feb 2nd 2024 at 2:59:11 AM