To-do list:
- Since the definition was expanded to allow any case of a character being too quick to trust other people, the description needs to be modified accordingly.
I think the trope should be about people who are unable to trust judge character, for whatever reason. Any character with an actual reason to trust the villain should be considered misuse.
It should be noted that the newer trope, Excellent Judge of Character, does not have a complainy description, if it were equivalent it would be "character grabs the Smart Ball and gets the right hunch as a Deus ex Machina".
- Trust as character flaw 23/65 (35.4%)
- Unspecified reason for trust 21/65 (32.3%)
- Has good reason to trust the villain 7/65 (10.8%)
- ZCE 7/65 (10.8%)
- Character intended to be intelligent 4/65 (6.2%)
- Subversions 2/65 (3%)
- Others 1/65 (1.5%)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:03:14 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Sigh... another case of a trope name misusing a preexisting term (or at least using it in an overly specific way), in this case "judge of character". The phrase refers to someone who has opinions about other people, so someone with a horrible judge of character would be someone who trusts the wrong people. I'd say gullibility would be more likely to be a factor than stupidity (or possibly that stupidity is completely irrelevant), and since the preexisting meaning of someone being too trusting already has more examples than the current definition, we should change the definition to that if it isn't already covered elsewhere.
Edit: And if the current definition involves Idiot Ball applying, we can move examples for that definition there if we retool it into what "horrible judge of character" usually means.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 14th 2022 at 11:22:31 AM
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the Retromancer
Doesn't sound like there's a big problem. Maybe we can remove Idiot Ball as a requirement, leaving it as "trusting a stranger without checking, who turns Obviously Evil or Evil All Along" and maybe renaming.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Why should the requirement for the person being trusted being evil remain as well? I already pointed out the fact that "horrible judge of character" simply refers to someone who's too quick to trust people and doesn't require the person being trusted to be outright evil, and the misuse is simply using the term the way it is in everyday usage.
The fact that the person being trusted can be evil shouldn't be an integral part of the definition. At most, it should go on an Analysis page (possibly by transplanting some of the current description) as a possible way it can occur.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 15th 2022 at 11:19:24 AM
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the Retromancer
Probably am thinking of common examples of why would it be "Horrible". I'm fine with just "trusts people easily".
Edited by Amonimus on Nov 15th 2022 at 8:19:26 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I'm down to expand to "character who's bad at telling if someone is trustworthy" - good or evil. The Idiot Ball is one way someone can be horrible at it, but so can naïveté, optimism, or need for approval from others.
How sweet it is
Expanding sounds good. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
The Man Outside Reality
Agree to expand.
Trust no one.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Sure, expand.
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She / Her
Expanding
So the voting will begin Thursday night?
At the earliest, yes, assuming discussion has settled on one/ more options then.
Just stoic wisdom.
He/Him
What, me worry?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
The best judgement I can make of this is to expand.
Kirby is awesome.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Let's go ahead and expand this to focus on overly trusting characters in general.
We'll need to rewrite the description, but I'm not 100% sure if we need to clean up wicks (I'm leaning toward it being unnecessary); maybe another mod could provide input on that.
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I suppose for thoroughness, ZCE and misuse/subversions can be cleaned up here.
Starting...
The inverse of the Excellent Judge of Character, the Horrible Judge of Character is someone who's not good at telling when someone's a bad guy. This person might be overly trusting or naïve, or have a hard time reading social cues and body language, or maybe they're just dimwitted in general. They lack good sense when it comes to deciding correctly whom to trust.
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Excellent, I just added it to this Sandbox
Edited by randomtroper89 on Nov 17th 2022 at 3:24:13 AM
We're excluding examples where there's good reason for someone to judge another incorrectly, right? In the same way someone who makes an honest mistake based on the info they have doesn't qualify for The Ditz?
That's the idea
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That sounds right.
Edit: Ninja'd by a post saying the same thing.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:07:44 PM
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To-do list:
I think the trope should be about people who are unable to trust judge character, for whatever reason. Any character with an actual reason to trust the villain should be considered misuse.
It should be noted that the newer trope, Excellent Judge of Character, does not have a complainy description, if it were equivalent it would be "character grabs the Smart Ball and gets the right hunch as a Deus ex Machina".
Wick Check
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:03:14 PM