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It has been agreed by crowner to merge the Light Novel/ namespace into Literature/.
LightNovel namespace index -- excludes redirects
It has been agreed by crowner that Light Novel examples are to be sorted on trope pages as follows:
- If you're adding an example with LN in mind, place it in Literature.
- If you're adding an example from an Anime/Manga, but unsure if it was present in LN, place it in Anime/Manga.
- If you're adding an example from an Anime/Manga, but know it also happened in the source, place in in Literature.
- If you're adding an example from an Anime/Manga, and sure it did not happen in the source, place it in Anime/Manga even if the work is already listed in Literature.
- If you're moving an example, for example when renaming or handling redirects, and don't know much about other versions, instead just leave it where it was.
- If you know all versions of the work, move examples to the medium they're first featured in.
- Webcomic examples with adaptation go to either Webcomics or Anime/Manga following the above logic.
- Web Serial Novel are still Literature.
- There is to be no dedicated Light Novel folder or subpage on trope pages.
Edge case rulings:
- Due to extreme differences with the original Web Serial Novel, Overlord (2012) will be the hub page for the Overlord Light Novel and its adaptations. Overlord 2010 will cover the WSN.
Original post below.
This has now come up twice in Ask The Tropers in the past year that I know of.
The issue is pretty straightforward: where do we put examples from Light Novels on trope pages?
General options previously proposed:
- Put them in Anime and Manga since they're commonly adapted into them.
- Base things on the original medium, and group them with Literature.
- Take a Third Option and create a Light Novel folder.
Points about this media space that are commonly raised:
- The manga and especially anime adaptations tend to be more available and more familiar to the Western audiences that comprise most tropers.
- The adaptations into manga and anime are usually very faithful Compressed Adaptations, so most trope examples apply to all versions.
ETA: Related issue that came up:
- Should the Light Novel namespace be merged into Literature?
Here's a link to pages that are in the LightNovel/ namespace.
Edited by Tabs on Nov 22nd 2022 at 9:50:41 AM
Calendar enthusiast
I've moved W-Z.
Ukrainian Red Cross
Captain of USS Bajor
I just discovered Headscratchers.Light Novels while moving some work pages. I'm guessing that should probably be merged with Headscratchers.Literature.
the Retromancer
Yes and for other subpages, unless the merged page is too long and it's fine to separate "by genre".
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
There are only three non-index subpages under Light Novels.
Stock Light-Novel Hero should be kept split, as it's an LN-focused trope where the LN examples would be the vast majority of a merged page.
The other hard-split LN subpages are Trapped in Another World (a stock LN trope that has the potential to grow much larger when the anime adaptation examples are moved over, I'd say keep it split) and No Export for You (half the page is analysis instead of actual examples, easy merge into Literature.)
the Retromancer
I was intending indexes in reply as well. StockLightNovelHero.Light Novels and TrappedInAnotherWorld.Light Novels may stay as they're big enough and have own cliches.
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Friends forevermore
Yeah, those two pages should be separate from their Literature counterparts. There's no reason to merge them other than rules lawyering.
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Discarded and Feeling Blue
Just reference them on the literature pages to make it clear it's a subtype, and problem solved.
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Captain of USS Bajor
Another page that probably needs a special decision: FormulaWithATwist.Anime And Manga. A bunch of folders on it are currently all but Light Novel-exclusive.
EDIT: Yeah, make that "special effort", blame sleep deprivation for that one.
Edited by StarSword on Aug 29th 2022 at 4:06:24 AM
the Retromancer
What kind of decision is there needed beside what already has been discussed?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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I don't see why it would need special treatment. Some special effort, perhaps, since the per-genre softsplit has left a lot of these as partial-context examples. Also, this page has a horrific number of non-Wiki Word entries.
Captain of USS Bajor
Yeah, I just wanted to bring that up for possible discussion since the page was going to be a PITA to untangle. Ran across it while I was moving How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom at three in the morning.
Calendar enthusiast
I moved T-V.
Ukrainian Red Cross
Friends forevermore
With moves of O-S on the horizon, the unusual circumstances for Overlord and The Saga of Tanya the Evil I mentioned earlier should be kept in mind. (I've since retracted my position on that weird Danganronpa LN, so it's down to only two abnormal moves.)
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the Retromancer
Courtesy. Yes, both of these have to be renamed when they're moved.
I don't agree with the Overlord move. We're troping the light novel (which began in 2012), not the web novel.
the Retromancer
Any reason why aren't we troping the web novel, especially since Overlord 2012 starts with "Overlord is a Japanese web novel written by Kugane Maruyama."?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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Is the webnovel even available in English?
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Captain of USS Bajor
EDIT, NVM, I misunderstood. Yeah, redirect the LN to the web novel start date when you move it.
Edited by StarSword on Aug 30th 2022 at 2:49:44 PM
the Retromancer
The question is between Literature.Overlord 2012 and Literature.Overlord 2010.
I don't see why availability in English is a concern, many pages in the namespace aren't. The real issue is that if not states otherwise, all on-page examples are to be assumed to come from LN/anime.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
How about disambiging by author instead, e.g. Literature.Overlord Maruyama
Friends forevermore
Because we're already disambiguating by a year.
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Captain of USS Bajor
Does anybody have any idea how much if anything changed between the web novel and the LN? Or if maybe the author has said anything about a canon policy? (For example Dojyomaru says in the afterword to volume 6 of Realist Hero that the LN and not the web novel is considered the canonical version.)
I'm a reader. They're pretty different.
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