Update: A wick check is being worked on at Sandbox.Unfortunate Implications Wick Check.
Note: This thread was proposed by ~The Mayor Of Simpleton, who gave others permission to make the thread.
A continuation of this Trope Talk thread
. Note that a wick check apparently wasn't required per at least one mod.
Unfortunate Implications, as we all probably know, is a YMMV item about content that is unintentionally offensive within a work. As we all probably also know, there is a citation requirement for this item (both for tropes and subtropes) per this 2012 TRS thread. This was originally done because the YMMV item was attracting ridiculous misuse (with anything even remotely offensive being listed) and Edit Wars. The citation requirement has further restrictions—examples need to be written a certain way (first the story, then the circumstance, then the implication), opinions of multiple people are required, reputable sources are also required, and paywalled or mandatory login sources aren't allowed. There's even a cleanup thread to help verify citations.
However, there are still many problems with this item, as the Trope Talk thread outlines. Per mightymewtron's OP:
Concerns were also raised that UI overlaps with other tropes such as Values Dissonance, Internet Backdraft (which was itself turned Flame Bait after a 2019 TRS thread), and Overshadowed by Controversy, with those tropes being more specific in scope than UI.
Wyldchyld also raised concerns that UI is a very confusing page as a whole:
With all of this in mind, what is to be done here? Proposed solutions have included making UI Flame Bait, Definition-Only, or other drastic solutions. An outright cut might even be needed. We could also take the less drastic option of reworking the citation requirement to take the raised concerns into account. What does everyone else think?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 16th 2022 at 5:00:26 AM
Angry babby
Oh question! What about in universe examples like when characters worry a story they wrote is problematic? If it's flame bait could we still use those examples on work pages?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
(she/her)
Yes, flamebait items can be used on work pages if they apply in-universe.
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
Upon consideration, the citation credibility options cover all possibilities and have to be mutually exclusive, and if the trope is made Flame Bait, the top vote out of those would have to apply even if it's not in 2.0 range.
Edited by Amonimus on Jul 19th 2022 at 10:56:57 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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If none of the citation options get a 2.0 consensus, why can't that remain as is?
Goku Black
I don't think we let in decisions unless they get 2:1 right anyway?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, if nothing gets consensus we just... don't act.
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Man in the Yellow Hat
For what it's worth, it appears that we've reached a consensus on making this Flame Bait. I assume this will ban entries from pages in YMMV.
There's so much I wish I could take back.
Goku Black
Uh considering the other options seem to be going up and down (no seriously I've never seen options move on a crowner in this many ways) I would wait before calling It. But yeah Flame Bait at least is locked.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
the Retromancer
The crowner is less than a day old. Waiting at minimum three days is required.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Considering the only option with consensus has remained above consensus range by a large margin, I don't think we'll even need to delay calling it. But yeah, it's only a day old, so it's too soon to call it regardless.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 20th 2022 at 8:30:28 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
This isn't paper
TFW you're almost singlehandedly responsible for causing a trope to be in danger of deletion.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I... Don't see how you would be.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
This isn't paper
Mightymewtron's OP contains a link that goes to a reply of a post I made.
Edited by BlueXIII on Jul 20th 2022 at 11:31:50 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
...And? The citation issue was brewing long before then. Even now nobody actually seriously wants this thing cut.
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Angry babby
(Well, some people want it cut but I heavily disagree LOL)
And I didn't even make the OP for the TRS, Gaston did. I made a Trope Talk thread based on a bunch of other controversies we'd had on the citation thread.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Technically I made the OP. Gaston just launched it from the queue.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That, and the page isn't in danger of being deleted. It will still exist if it's made Flame Bait; examples will just be restricted to the main page and subpages, and not YMMV pages for works.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
This isn't paper
That's a relief.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I noticed a bit of instability with the crowner, particularly because the "redefine as works displaying/promoting bigotry or discredited stereotypes despite them not being the main theme" option was below consensus range once the first wave of votes came in when the ATT bulletin was posted, then barely had consensus with a ratio of exactly 2:1 several hours ago, then dipped back below consensus range after I checked it just now.
Thus, I'm letting the crowner run for two extra days, so it'll be called on the 24th instead of the 22nd.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of making it Flame Bait. We're not doing anything else.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, it's now Flame Bait. Here are the wicks.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
We might need to delegate cleanup to the pre-existing thread, since we'll still need to vet the examples based on their sources.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
We can axe potholes on Main/ pages without the thread right? Or are Flame Bait tropes allowed to have potholes still?
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
They're not, no. The thread would be for what it's currently for — discussing the sources. Normal cleanup, such as pothole removal, doesn't need a cleanup thread.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 23rd 2022 at 12:21:14 PM
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Crown Description:
What should be done with Unfortunate Implications?
i upvoted Flame Bait, redefine as bigotry, loosen citation requirement, and require Word of God, downvoted everything else.