Needs Help: Lunacy

Seems like an “if it aint broke” situation, not seeing the need. Keep in mind the scope was the initial question. If we rename would the scope change?

Yeah, I'm not seeing a need to change the title here. The current isn't hurting anything and is a lot more creative.

I concur. The name isn't causing any harm.

Screw it, made a single prop to split because this thread is just sitting pretty. Hollering to hook.

I voted no, not because I don't think the ideas are worth splitting necessarily but because I don't want us to split the trope in half with nothing left behind, which is what the option reads like. I've voiced my thoughts on this multiple times so far in the thread, but a subtrope split doesn't require TRS and isn't the same thing as a normal TRS split, where the trope becomes two entirely different things, usually with the original trope left behind as a disambig or something. That's what I don't want.

I honestly think this entire thread just isn't necessary at all. I feel like people were voting for a rename just because having this thread open gives the illusion that there's some problem we need to fix, but literally all we have to do is go to TLP and make a subtrope or two.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 8th 2021 at 8:38:04 AM

> "supernatural happening related to the moon's timing"

To reiterate, if there are a lot of examples of "full moon plot" that aren't linked to "moon powers", this sounds like a thing for TLP. I think the option for a rename is more promenent, to which my take is "would be nice but it hasn't been an issue".

I agree, and I also agree with what you posted before the post this post is pointing to.

If there was a single issue prop to split, it's since been removed due to the crowner overhaul. Can we get another to vote on and move this issue forward since it kind of seems like a consensus is forming anyways

A vote on what issue? There isn't even an issue to solve here. All that needs to be done is for someone to either add the subtropes to the salvage yard or to make them in TLP, and neither of those solutions necessitate TRS.

If I sound frustrated, it's only because I am. A crowner isn't even needed here since the original trope doesn't need to be altered.

What consensus? Making subtropes is for TLP to handle, not TRS.

We can add the proposed subtropes to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard (ideally with a link to the post(s) that proposed them) to save them for later if nobody wants to make the drafts now.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 26th 2021 at 4:58:10 AM

Pinging ~MaLady since it's been a bit since they've posted here. If she doesn't want to make the drafts, we can probably just yard them.

- He, but I picked the name, so really, I shouldn't be surprised.

Anyway, yeah, I'll draft. I only have 13 drafts right now. I can take two more. So what's the drafts? The Proposition page is being wacky and linking to How Crowners Work.

Sorry 'bout the misgendering! Least I know now.

The drafts are just the two subtrope ideas you pitched back on page one; ignore the crowner. They're going through an overhaul and we don't need a vote anyway.

- Well, started my Moon Power draft: Gonna mirror The Power of the Sun some more. Just wanted to save it.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=hr8akeydg5yt247qgluiymbn

Will work on Lunar Liminal Time once I'm happy with Moon Power. And started:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=bxysdanwyggky8k4mbhzg0d4

Edited by Malady on Nov 26th 2021 at 4:10:20 AM

So, what is Lunacy going to cover them? All other supernatural effects caused by the moon/moon phases?

If that's the plan, I guess we can holler to close, since you seem to know what you're doing.

Yes, it'll be a supertrope and cover the other cases.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 26th 2021 at 6:58:30 AM

+ - Yep. All other Moon-things. Like... Uh... ... This Fairy Tale? Moon-based effect, but doesn't empower anyone. Gosh, it took me... 3+ folders to find that.

• "The Buried Moon": The moon's light keeps all the monsters of the bog at bay.

Edited by Malady on Nov 26th 2021 at 4:06:41 AM

xidk 6? the consensus I was talking about was that the trope didn't need to be altered. I thought any thread in TRS on which there was some convo or debate on needed a Crowner to verify consensus opinion. If it's not needed, then that's fine.

And while I can potential see the Lunar Liminal Time trope being a thing, I don't understand what The Power of the Moon is going to cover that isn't already covered by Lunacy. I thought the issue was Lunacy was The Power of the Moon and you believed many of the examples were LLT. If that's the case then making LLT and moving the examples over there would just leave Lunacy as TPOTM, no? TPOTM link even redirects to Lunacy so I definitely don't see the point in that draft, tbh

ETA: ok I'm sorry but I'm genuinely confused because the Lunar Liminal Time draft on the TLP has its description copy and pasted from Lunacy. Malady, if you don't have a draft for it figured out yet that describes the new trope you are proposing, don't make a TLP draft on it. Even if you post the link to this thread, people who may want to contribute to the draft will just say a near replica of an already existing trope.

Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 26th 2021 at 7:38:06 AM

Though that's something that can be discussed and decided on the draft itself; they don't have to launch.

- The work from wouldn't fit either of the two tropes, because it's not a lunar-based Superpower wielded by someone / something, but a power of the moon itself.

Because as a parallel to The Power of the Sun, which also needs its Power to be wielded by something.

Like how Suicide by Sunlight isn't The Power of the Sun, I think?

Exemplified by how the only wick to Power on there is this:

Edited by Malady on Nov 26th 2021 at 5:05:16 AM

But The Power of the Sun does include examples of the sun itself having some kind of ability or property:

The Power of the Sun examples definitely lean more on the depiction of solar power as an ability or energy that needs to be harnessed rather than as the sun itself having magical or mystical properties, but I feel like that's because the sun is an actual power source because it generates thermal and nuclear energy. The moon, as a rock only bouncing off light, doesn't.

I don't think the two tropes need to mirror each other exactly in coverage because the way they exist and manifest in the wild doesn't seem to be mirrors of each other.

Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 26th 2021 at 8:53:50 AM

Like I said, we can and probably should discuss this on the draft...

While I don't think that's necessarily true because we have a thread opened to discuss Lunacy and potential changes to "fix it", and the new proposed tropes will impact what Lunacy covers, I can move it over there.

I mean, it's still just a subtrope at the end of the day. The drafts don't have to launch, but the way to decide that is on the draft's discussion, not on this thread which was more or less just sort of here to confirm that, yes, maybe a split would be helpful.

It wouldn't actually change what Lunacy covers, though. Lunacy would still cover all these variants, but since the subtropes would exist we'd just use it for the less common variants. And that's assuming the draft ends up launching at all, but either way, Lunacy is pretty much going to remain untouched and unaltered in any significant ways other than having examples moved to the subtropes if they launch.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 26th 2021 at 9:28:56 AM

Don't think this thread requires any more input until Lunar Liminal Time and The Power Of The Moon are drafted to a presentable degree.