Follow TV Tropes

Following

Soft Split Cleanup

Go To

So, it's been a trend for soft-split tropes to be split into multiple sections even when it's not needed and makes the page a hassle to navigate. In some cases, the trope in question is so large that hard-splitting some (or all) of the internal subtropes into their pages is more beneficial than letting them take over the page.

EDIT: Here’s the sandbox for this effort—Sandbox.Soft Split Cleanup

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 4th 2022 at 10:16:08 AM

harryhenry It's either real or it's a dream Since: Jan, 2012
It's either real or it's a dream
#351: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:11:34 PM

VideoGame.You Dont Know Jack is softsplit into Game Show tropes and all other tropes. While it does indeed have the format of a game show, I can't think of any other works that need this kind of split?

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#352: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:30:57 PM

There are a number of game show pages split that way, though there's no evidence we're aware of that there was any actual consensus behind doing it like that.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#354: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:07:55 PM

That was before Tabs was a mod though. I do agree that they should be un-split however.

Macron's notes
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#355: Jul 21st 2022 at 2:52:32 AM

The Misophonic is split between "Neurological sensitivity", "Generic" and "Ambiguous". I don't think these distinctions are noteworthy, and there aren't enough examples in each section anyway. Merge?

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#356: Jul 24th 2022 at 3:10:01 AM

I've added Gasp! to the sandbox, as it's soft-split between straight and "played with" examples. There are too few examples on the page to justify the split.

Is that okay?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 24th 2022 at 3:11:24 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#357: Jul 24th 2022 at 3:18:40 AM

No, that's bad. Headers should be removed and examples mixed together.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#358: Jul 24th 2022 at 5:14:59 AM

[up][up][up] I am fine with removing the soft split for that.

Same with Gasp!.

Macron's notes
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#359: Jul 30th 2022 at 5:49:09 PM

Okay, I've reorganised the Gasp! page to remove the soft split. The page has a lot of ZCE entries, so I've addd it to the Administrivia.Pages Needing Example Context page.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#360: Jul 30th 2022 at 6:32:51 PM

Miss Conception is soft-split into "Type I" and "Type II"...

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#361: Jul 30th 2022 at 11:45:13 PM

And they don't seem that distinct anyway, they both boil down to not understanding how puberty and reproduction works.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#362: Jul 31st 2022 at 4:13:31 AM

Yeah, I think we can safely merge the two.

Macron's notes
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#363: Aug 4th 2022 at 11:25:02 AM

Fanfic.One Punch Gamer is... kind of a mess. it's serving as a work page for three different fanfics and is soft-split between them, and the names of the other fanfics are redirects to this page (and it potholes them in the description, so it's linking to itself multiple times over).

Andariel Never Found from Disappeared never to be seen again (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Never Found
#364: Aug 7th 2022 at 10:46:55 AM

Not Brainwashed has two separate sections: "Examples" and "Comedy examples". I don't see any reason to separate them like this, and there are only 6 "Comedy examples" in total, so they will be easy to move

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#365: Aug 23rd 2022 at 6:31:05 AM

^ "X" and "X, Played for Laughs" is not a really meaningful distinction, IMO. Just remove them

Also, do Sympathetic Adulterer really need to be split into 10 or so different justifications?

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#366: Aug 23rd 2022 at 6:33:15 AM

Not Brainwashed was already consolidated.

^ No, we don't need all of those subsections. I'd merge them all.

Macron's notes
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#367: Aug 23rd 2022 at 12:57:11 PM

[up][up][up][up] Maybe it used to be three fanfiction pages that somebody consolidated into one page for not individually having enough examples.

[up] I don't think there's a need to split them like that. And I'm not sure if anybody reading would only be interested in opening specific folders while browsing the trope page.

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#368: Aug 23rd 2022 at 12:59:57 PM

[up] each section now has enough tropes to stand on its own, if that is the case. can i split them up?

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#369: Aug 24th 2022 at 4:35:18 PM

Hearing Voices is soft-split into "Insane", "Evil", "Good", and "???" (or "Chaotic Neutral" in the description, which seems like a violation of the character alignment policy in addition to being confusingly inconsistent)

Do we need this split? We're somewhat vexed by it since some works have examples of multiple types.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#370: Aug 24th 2022 at 4:38:13 PM

9 out of 10 soft-splits go against Type Labels Are Not Examples. Hearing Voices should be resorted as morality shouldn't be relevant, and its description contributes to the problem.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#371: Aug 27th 2022 at 11:37:52 PM

This Is the Worst Idea You've Ever Had! is soft-split between the titular work and its sequel, which has a description and trope list tucked in at the bottom of the page.

(also bumping this post since i never got a response)

Edited by ChloeJessica on Aug 27th 2022 at 11:38:19 AM

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#372: Aug 29th 2022 at 7:39:22 PM

So, some work pages are soft-split between tropes found in an adaptation, the original version, and tropes that appear in both. This seems counterproductive. Unless the editor is familiar with both versions, how are people supposed to know whether a particular trope they want to add appear in both (original + adaptation) or is exclusive to whichever version they're consuming?

NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#373: Sep 1st 2022 at 10:18:14 AM

For ages, Token Non-Human has had a separate section for anthropomorphic animals that's so small, it doesn't even have folders. Merging it would be easy, but I don't think I should do it unilaterally.

Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#375: Sep 1st 2022 at 12:09:09 PM

Creator.Rie Kugimiya's tropes are soft split between her tsundere roles and her non-tsundere roles. Most of the tropes in the former are ZCE and can be removed anyway, but permission to undo the softsplit as a whole?


Total posts: 623
Top