Misused: Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales

I think there's a big difference between "character is made of X stereotypes and the X audience likes them (despite them)" and "character is intended to be a positive depiction of X and more thoughtfully written than a handful of stereotypes and (who would've guessed!?) X audience likes them"

Agree with this. Just having trouble coming up with a name that succinctly hits both "negative stereotype" and "liked by targets"... "Caricature Liked By Targets"? So bland...

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 13th 2021 at 12:53:43 PM

I still think "group approves of thing that depicts it" is tropeworthy. "Chinese love Kung Fu Panda" might be a good name, considering the enormously positive reception the movies got there.

Well, I don't know about you but I am far more familiar with Speedy Gonzales than with Kung Fu Panda...

Both are Trope Namer Syndrome.

I don't think the trope name is the cause, here, it's more that people think "any representation is loved" when it's supposed to be "stereotype is liked by people it's stereotyping".

This shouldn't be merged with "Germans Love The Hoff" etc, because that's much more specifically about someone who's only mildly popular or even unknown in their home country being MEGA popular elsewhere. Americans know plenty about Speedy.

work that depicts culture is popular among culture depicted" sounds pretty chairsy however and even if it isn't it's definitively not the same thing as "negative stereotype of someone is appreciated by that someone".

I don't get how this is chairsy at all.

Edited by FishiousRend on Feb 14th 2021 at 3:38:22 AM

I don't think it's chairsy, but I do agree it's not the same reaction and shouldn't be merged.

To make it not chairs-y, it should be "work produced ouside the culture, depicting the culture, is popular with members of the culture".

No, that's still chairs. There is nothing unusual or weird about a work portraying a certain culture be liked by that culture. It only becomes notable if the portrayal is negative (e.g if it relies on stereotypes) and yet the reception is positive.

I agree with Synchronicity that “that a character of a certain cultural background is well received by the culture in real life” can just be folded into the proposed “Gushing About Representation You Like” sandbox (if that gets off the ground) I don’t see the need to make a separate YMMV trope for it.

Jumping in here - another way to make it less chairsy is that the character could be the Token Minority.

However, we could use the sandbox (which I helped create but backed off because I felt nervous about opening up about my identity on the wiki) to catch that vibe and keep the current for stereotypes. I don't know about the rename - Beloved Stereotype doesn't make it clear enough that the people of that culture have to like the stereotype, for example.

EDIT: As for this:

The Hoff item gets (mis?)used for works known in their home country (i.e. I saw an example on South Park about its popularity in non-American countries when it's always known best in America), so IDK about that.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 17th 2021 at 1:14:47 PM

Oh, I wanted to clarify — when I said merge with Germans Love David Hasselhoff, I meant the expanded version ("group likes depiction of them"). Not Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales with the "negative depiction" qualification.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 17th 2021 at 12:01:38 PM

I meant that I was in favor of expansion as well. I'm not sure if I already mentioned that, but I might as well mention it now.

Edit: I went back a page and saw that I already said that my merge vote meant expanding Germans Love David Hasselhoff if necessary.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 17th 2021 at 12:16:13 PM

I don’t changing the name will fix anything. The trope name right now is VERY clear. The changing of the name will solve practically nothing. Also, it’s too different for Germans love David hasselhoff for a merge. And the expanding the trope definition basically ruins the point of ‘Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales’.

I think the only thing to do is remove the misused wick. And mention why in the edit reason section...

Did you look at the wick check in the first post? Because the real usage does not line up with that opinion. To quote:

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 19th 2021 at 2:11:48 PM

Is it crowner time?

I don't know man, as a mexican myself I really love the name and I feel - and I don't miss the irony about it - a bit attached to the old name making a reference to my country/people.

Foreigners Love The Negative Stereotype ?

Hrm... how about Stereotype Backfire?

That would imply creator intent to mock or insult some demographic. While that's probably the motive behind some of these (e.g. the wolves in Squirrel and Hedgehog), it's certainly not the case for all of them.

sounds too ambiguous, as in, whether the stereotype is beloved or hated.

Hagrid: You're a , Harry...

Edited by callmeamuffin on Mar 8th 2021 at 4:38:48 AM

A bit wordy, but maybe something like "Stereotypical, but Loved by the Stereotyped Nevertheless"? Or a little more succinctly: "Stereotype Beloved by the Stereotyped"?

There are a fair few bits of information to be included, it seems to me: stereotypicalness; being beloved; and those who love it being those who are being stereotyped.

Created a crowner

I think I suggested the exact same "Stereotype Loved By Stereotyped" one before. I still think it's good.

It could be stronger on the negative portrayal aspect, hence my suggestion of "caricature".

But this is all assuming the trope gets renamed. Did you holler to hook the crowner?