Quotes and the spoiler policy

For example, the Danganronpa quote on Quotes.Hate Sink and the Persona 2 one on Quotes.Widget Series have a spoiler tags which I think should stay, as they're not inherently spoileriffic tropes.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 31st 2020 at 11:36:51 AM

Right, the same rule as a normal example. If it's a spoiler trope, then there should be no spoiler tags. If it's not a spoiler trope, then they should be tagged as appropriate.

And quotes pages should also be folderized once they get past a handful of quotes, which has the side benefit of making spoilers a bit less in-your-face.

Eh, I guess that's fine. I don't see as big of a need for it, but I also won't complain about it either.

Maybe the reason quotes aren’t allowed to be spoilered is the same reason quotes aren’t allowed to have potholes—the external markup is being added to an existing quote after the fact.

Again, the potholing applies to page quotes, but not necessarily quotes in general.

Why should page quotes be separated from in-page quotes?

Because they're above the trope line, and thus inherently meant to be spoiler-tag free.

OK, so maybe we should change it so that non-page-topping quotes can have spoiler tags.

See, the rule is ambiguous on that front and that's why this debate exists. We won't change it until we agree it should be changed- and what to change it to.

Most of the time, you're right, quote pages don't need to be folderized. But once they get past a few dozen examples, they do need to be folderized or else you start getting duplicates and other disorganization problems, and by that time it's a huge pain. I folderized Quotes.Pride a while back, and it took me two hours. If someone had folderized it earlier, then people would have added the new quotes correctly, and it would have saved a lot of trouble.

Um... The quote on Stealthy Cephalopod is a massive spoiler.

Edited by ccorb on Sep 7th 2020 at 2:52:43 PM

We’re discussing it in the General Page Quote Thread.

I know.

Returning to this because it was brought up in another thread.

This is a case where policy contradicts itself, and I'd prefer if we just dump that part of Spoilers Off entirely, because no one follows it and there's no reason to keep it in place.

I agree. Page quotes are already covered by the "above the example line" rule.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 5th 2020 at 7:19:04 AM

I think that spoiler tags should be allowed in quotes outside of page quotes. I view quotes as just another part of the example, so if the example's main body could have spoiler tags, not having them in the quote that adds onto just feels arbitrary.

Part of the disagreement is if the quote subpage counts as "above the line", since it lists alternate page quotes.

I think that the only quotes that should be spoilers off are the ones at the top of a work's or trope's main page. If they're in the example list, or if they're on a quotes subpage, they should be allowed to have spoiler tags.

Eh, quote subpage I consider an extension of the page quote and I wouldn't oppose those being spoilers-off if necessary. But quotes that act as part of an example shouldn't be treated differently.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 5th 2020 at 7:41:42 AM

I think "pagetoppers and quotes wiki spoilers off, everything else spoiler responsibly" is a decent way to go.

Why should Quotes/ be an extension of the page quote, rather than of the examples?

Essentially speaking, it's examples of the trope which are quotes from a work.

I mean, I guess that makes sense? It's just my logic being what it is- because we search the quote page for page-quote replacements, I link them as the same "thing" much like I'd link Page Images and Image Links.

I also disagree on Quotes/ being an extension of the page quote.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Single prop crowner on removing/redefining that rule?

I'd support a single prop, assuming you mean the Spoilers Off "rule".

What would the redefinition be? Page-toppers as proposed here?