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jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#26: Aug 13th 2020 at 5:08:00 PM

[up] Whoops, missed that part. I have seen that issue before with folders.

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ImmiThrax 🏳️‍🌈🎃 from A Galaxy Far, Far Away Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#27: Aug 13th 2020 at 5:39:36 PM

[up][up] I didn't realize it was a folder thing, either— so that's what you meant by "medium"! I thought this was about pages in the wrong namespace.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#28: Aug 14th 2020 at 3:06:52 PM

These were found wicked from Fan Verse, and seem like works:

Move to Fanfic or what?


There's also the years old JujuP.Sandbox.

Edited by Malady on Aug 14th 2020 at 3:14:52 AM

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#29: Aug 14th 2020 at 3:16:08 PM

Cutlist Fanon Canon Verse. It has only one example with anything like context, and that's after dealing with the grammar etc. errors. But PM the user first about saving it to a sandbox if they want to work on getting it up to standard. Not sure about the namespace/medium, just that it's a bad work page.

Edited by ImmiThrax on Aug 14th 2020 at 6:18:39 AM

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#30: Aug 15th 2020 at 10:29:05 AM

Cleaning WesternAnimation.Frozen wicks. Fanfic Ideas isn't an official namespace, right?

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#31: Aug 15th 2020 at 10:39:44 AM

Namespace says no.

It might be possible to file those ideas under Fanfic Fuel.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
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#32: Aug 15th 2020 at 4:44:42 PM

[up][up] Aren't those just fic prompts? I'm struggling to see how those fit into anything.

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#33: Aug 17th 2020 at 4:15:37 PM

Judging by the history, it looks like a storage space for one troper's unwritten fanfic ideas. It seems to be an attempt at a subpage for their personal sandbox, except that's not how subpages for sandboxes work.

Said troper is Eviler Than Thou; maybe DM them and let them know this isn't an appropriate namespace so they can move the ideas to their tropers page or something?

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 17th 2020 at 7:19:10 AM

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#35: Aug 17th 2020 at 4:48:43 PM

They're subpages of Sandbox.Fanfic Ideas. I don't think it's supposed to be a "supported namespace" much like, say, BadassNormal.Video Games isn't really a properly supported namespace.

Edited by Serac on Aug 17th 2020 at 6:49:02 AM

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#36: Aug 17th 2020 at 9:34:48 PM

It also got brought up in ATT, so please post over there for more discussion.

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
#37: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:02:13 AM

Casting the spell of necromancy!

I've noticed that there's still some disagreement about where to put web serials. Complete Monster lists them under Web Original, but they're namespaced and indexed under Literature.

Edited by ccorb on Jan 31st 2021 at 9:04:13 AM

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#38: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:07:00 AM

Web Serial Novels says literature.

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#39: Jan 31st 2021 at 4:53:58 PM

[up] Added in 2014 by ~Larkmarn.

Notifying because they are still active, and asking for clarification.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#40: Jan 31st 2021 at 7:23:29 PM

[up][up] Web Serial Novel says they go in the Literature/ namespace. It says nothing about how to index them or where they go in an example section's Media Categories.

Note that difference between namespace and example categorization also exists with Western Animation/ — series go in the Western Animation category, but films go in Film — Animated.

Edited by Twiddler on Jan 31st 2021 at 7:26:22 AM

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#41: Jan 31st 2021 at 8:06:48 PM

[up] Which is why I'm asking for clarification.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#43: Feb 4th 2021 at 5:11:13 PM

[up][up][up] I'm still considering a campaign to move all animated films to a new namespace.


I'm not aware of a consensus decision on Web Original vs Literature folder for Web Serial Novel. I tend towards Literature, but I check both when crosswicking and usually don't move from one to the other.

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#44: Dec 2nd 2021 at 7:43:23 AM

Not sure if this is the correct thread to ask this, but is it alright to split Light Novel/ and Literature/ under different media headings, just as Video Game and Visual Novel are often split into two separate categories?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#45: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:45:14 AM

I think Literature/ as a landing pad for Web Serial Novel is all right, especially with e-books making "web" releases more common. "Live-Action TV" does not distinguish if it's a streaming site exclusive or a cable show.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:45:39 AM

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#46: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:55:39 AM

I'd also like to re-visit light novels at some point.

Looking at an arbitrarily chosen LN with an anime adaptationWhich one? , 15 of the 28 examples on medium subpages are in /Literature, and the other 13 are /AnimeAndManga. (As with many LNs, it started as a webnovel, but it's extremely unlikely anyone is specifically troping the WN.)

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#47: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:33:55 PM

For the Web Serial Novel category, I lean towards Literature/ as well.

And according to the Media Categories FAQ, it's Literature/ so I suppose that's a consensus?

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#48: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:47:55 PM

It's already agreed that they go in the Literature/ namespace, the question is whether they go in the Literature folder on a trope page as well.

That part on Media Categories FAQ was added by Ordeaux26 citing this ATT thread. Looking at that thread, there were a couple people saying they think they should go under the Literature folder, and Septimus saying it might need a wider Wiki Talk discussion.

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#49: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:56:31 PM

I honestly don’t think Light Novel needs it’s own namespace. The difference between it and other forms literature is rather minor. It’s not like the split between V Ns and Video Games.

As for how to categorize them in media categories, I think it’s fine to just put them under literature but also don’t mind them having their own folder.

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