Video uploading

You can ask here for now. We're still working on a formal policy for what is and is not a good video, but I'm proceeding with some basic principles in mind:

• It must not be overly sexual, gory, or otherwise inappropriate.
• It must clearly illustrate the trope. I denied a video yesterday on Big Heroic Run because it only featured a character running in slow motion towards the camera, with no other context.
• It must actually fit the trope. I saw some videos that were clearly not the trope they purported to illustrate.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 24th 2019 at 11:55:13 AM

I guess videos we find from YouTube are out of the question, since I don't think I can save them to upload.

I suspect the denied video was mine. It was the Baywatch run from "Amazon Hot Wax"before there was such thing as the Baywatch run.

Is there any system in place to get feedback on videos? I'd be happy to improve the quality of them, but without feedback, there's no effective way to do that.

Also, if such a thing requires programming to accomplish, that is my profession so let me know if I can help.

Clearly and concisely tend to be at odds with each other in things like this. I take it that you would rather see a two minute video that shows the surrounding context behind the scene than a 10 second video that shows the specific trope in isolation. The former will give far more clarity at the expense of brevity, the latter will show the trope at expense of clarity. Correct?

There are ways to save You Tube videos, alter them, and upload them. I don't know about the use of those in respect to what is allowed on TV Tropes, though.

1. Will there be a future possibility to edit titles and descriptions, as well as to flag content for deletion?

2. I too would like to offer to help out in the moderation process, if need should arise. Where do I go for that?

Found sites to use download the videos, but I don't know which ones are safe. Anyone got suggestions?

In general, follow the fair use guidelines. This site is a very good starting point: http://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-online-video/

Especially take a look at the section "Using copyrighted material for illustration or example"

That's not what I meant.

I meant what sites won't give me a virus when I download.

Ah! Assume they all will and protect yourself appropriately

So what does the "Featured Video" option actually do?

I think that the Video Example feature would work better as a separate page, styled like VideoExamples/NameOfTrope. Because, honestly, the presence of video examples on a Main/ page is actually kind of distracting.

Oh, and pause-play buttons would be pretty great for those who are interested in watching the video examples.

"Oh, and pause-play buttons would be pretty great for those who are interested in watching the video examples."

Click on the video. It'll bring up a different video player complete with play and pause and other normal video capabilities.

From the limited experience that I've had so far with the video feature, it seems that we are missing one major aspect that is taken for granted in a wiki: collaboration.

In any text page on TV Tropes, should a troper commit vandalism, it gets reverted and thus deleted in short order. That's right and proper. However if we have a difference of opinion on what should be written about a trope or what qualifies as an example of a trope, we hold ourselves to the standards of civilized people, talk out our disagreements, and improve the site.

With video moderation, though, that collaboration is missing entirely. Our moderation is not a nuanced process of collaborating and discussion. Rather, it is a binary process of accepting or rejecting wholesale. A rejection comes without explanation or feedback.

Where that bar for rejection should be is a fine topic, but not the point of this feedback. This feedback is raising the concern that in respect to the video feature, we do not have a collaborative process at all. That is a huge concern given that a wiki is predicated on the concept of collaboration.

The site code already captures the uploader of each video. We can program it to send a PM to that uploader when a video is rejected. Just like we have a field in every edit for a troper to give a reason for the edit - something I encourage more people to do - we can have a field for the reason for rejection. We can also add a button to each video submission specifically for vandalism so as not to overly burden moderators with the efforts of vandals.

What is important is that we maintain an open and collaborative environment. I appears that we don't yet have the tools in place for that collaboration when it comes to videos.

Please let me know how I can help with the effort. I am a developer and I'm willing to help.

I find this new feature pretty cool! My only gripe is the max length of the videos. When I look for an example, I'd rather see a short, to-the-point demonstration. I would set the max limit to 30 seconds.

Honestly, I think the current limit of 150 seconds is perfect. It gives enough time to provide context when needed while not being boring or excessive. Plus, on the first page, only six or so videos are under 30 seconds, so this would definitely be too stifling. We're not using Vine.

Also, my videos for Sentai and The Dead Have Names are still under review. I'd just like to make sure they're not forgotten about.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 25th 2019 at 5:20:05 PM

Count me on the side of concise videos. The videos need context in order to demonstrate the trope in action, but there is a tremendous amount of context already available. The videos have titles and captions. Those give large amounts of context. The video is sitting on a page that explains the trope in detail. That is a tremendous amount of context. Often those trope pages cite the specific scene in the video itself. That's a direct explanation of what is in the video in addition the video's title and caption.

That's a ton of context. It's a reasonable argument to claim that should a troper watch only a ten second video without reading the trope page and without reading the title and without reading the caption, then they may not understand the context of the video. But I don't agree with the view that we ignore all of the surrounding context when deciding upon our standards.

I posted my first video for Motion Comic! However, because I don't have a program to edit videos I used a website called Kapwing, and unless I pay for the wbsite I can't take the name of the site off the video.

Will that affect my submission?

Edited by Tomodachi on Apr 25th 2019 at 8:57:16 AM

Yeah, we can't accept videos with copyright or freeware bugs or watermarks.

Asking again: what does checking “featured video” actually do?

Understood, I will look for a way to edit the video without the watermark. Thanks

I assume if you check Featured Video, it will appear on the trope page and main page, and unchecking it won't let it appear. I don't know since I always check that box and don't have moderator powers.

"Featured Video" would be the one that appears by default when you look at the article.

I'm trying to uploada video https://youtu.be/2U-9adr5ulY for The Last Straw page. But it won't upload for some reason. I don't get it, I followed instructions "- Visit any trope page - Click "Edit Page" as usual - Click "Upload Video" (only visible on Desktop) " But what else? These instructions are incomplete.

Why can't I upload the video? I tried going to youtube but for some reason I still can't upload it!

See, I usually upload videos by copying a YouTube link and pasting it and the video appears. But it doesn't seem to work for TV tropes! It only accepts videos by pressing the upload files but I can't save the youtube videos as files. How do I upload a video from You Tube onto TV tropes? Could you explain please?

Edited by ngh93 on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:58:04 AM

You have to upload a file from your own computer. You cannot use a YouTube video.

I don’t have any videos in mind, but for the future, would the TV staion’s onscreen logo count in the no watermarks rule?