Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
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I would think so. Problem lies when real life elements enter into the product. Like currently a wrestler real life substance abuse is used for a storyline.
I believe Contested Sequel should have a six-month waiting period, due to having a connection to Broken Base, and it's also used for knee-jerk reactions. Six months would give the fandom enough time to experience the sequel and properly form an opinion on it.
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For Contested Sequel and Sequelitis getting a waring period.
Trivia.Star Vs The Forces Of Evil:
- Genre-Killer: It seems the Seasonal Rot in its final season due to Nefcy's choice to Torch the Franchise and Run when ending the show's run would lead to a decline in interest in the Magical Girl genre (specifically those depicted by an American production like this one) for Western audiences.
As written, that sounds like salt over the ending as opposed to proof it caused a decline. Franchise Killer requires 5 years, should Genre-Killer require a time limit as well?
That's why I believe there should be a limit for wrestling, as wrestling has a very fine line between reality and fiction, and since reality is often worked into storylines, it could bring about trouble.
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Jul 13th 2020 at 8:55:15 AM
I agree.
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I'd argue the SVTFOE example isn't even true; She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is a western Magical Girl show that premiered after SVTFOE was first accused of Seasonal Rot, and it still managed to find an audience.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Genre-Killer could use a cleanup effort in general, TBH. A lot of entries either don't specify which work is the supposed Genre-Killer, point out genres that are demonstrably not dead, or define their genre incredibly narrowly in order to make their case.
How does a waiting period for Audience-Alienating Premise sound? People have been calling these before it was apparent the work failed.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jul 18th 2020 at 11:45:12 AM
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After the works comes out and see if it was a success.
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I'd say one week is a good amount of time to determine if the work failed or not.
Not really. You cant say that to a comic book series that released per monthly. Or when its an event comic.
Same holds true for Cartoons or tv series.
Edited by WhirlRX on Jul 18th 2020 at 11:38:40 AM
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For television series of all varieties, I think half a season or a full "mini-season" if that's the approach they go with is long enough.
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And whenever a movie ends its theatrical run. Although I really don't know how well measure this for streaming-first movies and TV shows.
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Per ATT, there is a call for So OK, It's Average to have a waiting period until an average critical consensus can be achieved without knee jerk.
I suggested a one-month waiting period after release, since that's usually enough time to see what the general consensus is.
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For the sake of efficiency, should we have similar waiting periods for So Bad, It's Good and So Bad, It's Horrible? I know the SBIH thread has a lot of posts asking whether something that was just released counts and people suggest giving some time for opinions to settle.
I think So Bad, It's Good and So Bad, It's Horrible should also have a 1-month waiting period, since I've seen So Bad, It's Horrible be used for knee-jerk reactions.
Agreed.
- Contested Sequel: The change in tone, shortened runtime, and simplified animation style have divided the fanbase as to whether this is a worthy successor or a filler series between G4 and G5.
It's not wrong, but it's border ZCE on why it's liked/disliked. And the season is ongoing which seems too soon to call.
Thoughts on a waiting period?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jul 27th 2020 at 12:54:47 PM
Yeah, it does not give a clear example of it. Related, i think So Okay, It's Average need more context on why its that.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Since Contested Sequel is a sub-trope of Broken Base, shouldn't it have the same six-month waiting period? I remember this being discussed before, but I don't remember whether it was forgotten about or if it was actually decided not to have a waiting period.
Yes, by definition all sub-tropes require the same waiting period as their parent tropes.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
So do we put it on the crowner, or just go ahead and add the waiting time?
Also, what about Sequelitis, Surprisingly Improved Sequel, and Even Better Sequel, which are related tropes to Contested Sequel?
Edited by Zuxtron on Jul 27th 2020 at 7:29:18 AM
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Examples of Contested Sequel are also examples of Broken Base, by definition of a subtrope. Examples of Broken Base already have a waiting period. Therefore, examples of Contested Sequel already require a waiting period, and all we have left to do is tell people that.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Alright, in that case, I've added Contested Sequel to No Recent Examples, Please!.
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If a wrestling example deals solely with events portrayed onscreen, isn't it fictional? We treat wrestling as if it's scripted, because for the most part, it is.
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