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This is a thread for checking up on pages for works that have not been released yet, to make sure that they are not straying into rampant speculation or posting crazy behind the scenes spoilers. You can bring both individual examples or entire pages to attention here.

In extreme cases, any page can be locked, but hopefully that won't be necessary.

(As these pages often are hit with zero-context examples and shoehorning as well, all four - speculation, spoilers, ZCEs, and shoehorning may get addressed simultaneously.)

The policy governing this effort is Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work.

Edited by nombretomado on Jun 10th 2019 at 6:08:27 AM

Mar 1st 2019 at 10:01:40 AM

This is a thread for checking up on pages for works that have not been released yet, to make sure that they are not straying into rampant speculation or posting crazy behind the scenes spoilers. You can bring both individual examples or entire pages to attention here.

In extreme cases, any page can be locked, but hopefully that won't be necessary.

(As these pages often are hit with zero-context examples and shoehorning as well, all four - speculation, spoilers, ZCEs, and shoehorning may get addressed simultaneously.)

The policy governing this effort is Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work.

Edited by nombretomado on Jun 10th 2019 at 6:08:27 AM

PDL
Mar 1st 2019 at 10:30:32 AM

Oh hey look, High Crate already cutlisted the Pokemon Character page we were talking about.

What would happen if one of those characters appeared in the anime as an Early-Bird Cameo?

Edited by PDL on Mar 1st 2019 at 1:31:35 PM

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 1st 2019 at 10:43:47 AM

They'd be added to the anime page until their proper game appearance?

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Mar 1st 2019 at 10:51:25 AM

As I said on the other thread, I'm not particularly fond of the Pokemon character pages in general, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the page being cut. But the page has been cut without any discussion, and there were a number of examples that could have been shifted back over to the main page. I can't be more specific because the page was redirected, so all I have to go on is the history, which is disjointed and hard to use to construct a page.

nombretomado the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Mar 1st 2019 at 10:54:21 AM

The cut request for Characters.Pokemon Generation VIII Families was declined, unless we are referring to something else.

Mar 1st 2019 at 10:58:41 AM

No, that's what I meant. Someone had redirected it to Characters.Pokemon. It's back now, and there's nothing obvious in the history. Or maybe I was just on the wrong page? The Pokemon pages are very confusing.

Anyway, a quick look over the page does show a few tropes that are being unnecessarily speculative.

  • Breaking Old Trends: Sobble is based primarily on a chameleon, and is therefore the first water starter that's not based on an aquatic animal or animal normally associated with water.

People have been arguing over what exactly Sobble is. Chameleon is my guess too, but it's still just a guess.

Same.

  • Musical Theme Naming: It's name in English and other languages have a partial basis on musical terms, such as "groove" in English and "nori (rhythm)" in Japanese, and it was shown drumming with a stick in its debut. What these associations mean is still unknown.

The fact that it's stated outright that the associations are unknown is a red flag.

WarJay77 Quite Impossible to Describe... from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Quite Impossible to Describe...
Mar 1st 2019 at 11:02:31 AM

[up]Yeah, those are all questionable.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
PDL
Mar 1st 2019 at 11:19:18 AM

I removed those examples and pruned away some speculation (like the mythology gag regarding Sobble and Vaporeon and the Football theme regarding Scorbunny).

PDL
Mar 1st 2019 at 1:05:35 PM

So here's another query.

Animal Crossing is going to have a new game that's yet to be released. However all the tropes for all the games are listed on the one page. Presumably this would mean that people will probably put tropes regarding the newest game when more information about it is revealed.

Mar 1st 2019 at 1:36:08 PM

Is there anything bad on Mortal Kombat 11? I've been keeping an eye on the page since it was first made, and made sure to get rid of speculative examples whenever I saw them, but I wonder if I've missed anything.

I've been meaning to trim down this example for a while now, but I kept forgetting until now:

  • Xtreme Kool Letterz: As per usual, the fight pit stage is called "Black Dragon Fight Klub" and one of the new mechanics is called the "Krushing Blow". However, currently averted with the "Special Forces Desert Command" stage. Seeing as The Kove had a similar "misspelling" in the prerelease footage of X (complete with a later apology by Ed Boon), this might be changed in the final game.

That last sentence is pure speculation, so I got rid of it. The rest looks OK.

Mar 1st 2019 at 2:32:37 PM

The Memetic Mutation examples on YMMV.Pokemon Sword And Shield seem like they'll only be relevant for a week or two and then be forgotten.

Mar 1st 2019 at 2:58:03 PM

Most Memetic Mutation pages are like that, honestly.

WarJay77 Quite Impossible to Describe... from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Quite Impossible to Describe...
Mar 1st 2019 at 3:50:48 PM

Why is there even a YMMV page for this Pokemon Game?

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Mar 1st 2019 at 4:08:11 PM

[up] Because someone created the page. Don't overthink it.

Misspelled trope names dealt with... for now. Moving back to the Understatement project soon?
WarJay77 Quite Impossible to Describe... from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Quite Impossible to Describe...
Mar 1st 2019 at 4:33:25 PM

[up] Umm...Obviously? I'm asking why it hasn't been cut or locked.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 1st 2019 at 4:48:38 PM

I imagine it's the usual reason the wiki has for that question: nobody's gotten around to it yet.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Crossover-Enthusiast The Absolute Mad Lads from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Absolute Mad Lads
Mar 1st 2019 at 5:33:21 PM

Regarding the Gen 8 character page...Yeah, it needs work.

Here's the Punny Name entry for Sobble because I'm not sure about the Japanese name bit (Which is Messon, by the way):

  • Its English name is a portmanteau of "sob" and "bubble", while its Japanese name is a portmanteau of "chameleon" and "mesomeso", the Japanese onomatopoeia for crying.

SANS IS IN SMASH, EVERYONE GO HOME
nombretomado MOD the formatting mod from just kind of around Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
the formatting mod
Mar 1st 2019 at 5:34:20 PM

A lot of pages being discussed here and the Pre-release thread were submitted to the cut list yesterday. Even if we move forward with locking/deleting as a matter of policy, that policy has not yet been settled in this thread or via the internal mod discussion we are currently undertaking. Please do not resubmit until we have this matter concluded.

Mar 1st 2019 at 9:55:27 PM

@Zuxtron: I looked over Mortal Kombat 11, and I didn't see anything obviously bad. For the Xtreme Kool Letterz example, though, you should probably remove the "currently" due to Examples Are Not Recent.

Edited by Discar on Mar 1st 2019 at 9:55:41 AM

PDL
Mar 2nd 2019 at 7:35:46 AM

Fire Emblem: Three Houses is a fairly lengthy page for a game that isn't going to come out until July 2019. Unfortuantely I know very little about the series apart from Pop Culture Osmosis.

Albert3105 Magikarp deterrence
Magikarp deterrence
Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:05:26 AM

Zapped. Also got the second line of But Now I Must Go, which was also talking about implications and the way something "seems."

Crossover-Enthusiast The Absolute Mad Lads from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Absolute Mad Lads
Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:05:54 AM

[up][up] Yeah, cut that. Cut Award-Bait Song too.

Here's the trailer and Nintendo Direct segment focused on the game. Everything in those is all we know about the game at this point in time, I believe.

SANS IS IN SMASH, EVERYONE GO HOME
Mar 3rd 2019 at 7:21:12 AM

Got Award-Bait Song. I thought someone else was getting it.

Mar 3rd 2019 at 9:53:11 AM

I think that the But Now I Must Go entry on that page is misuse since that trope's definition says that the character must leave "forever", which contradicts how the example says that Edelgard will return (there's even I Shall Return listed as a trope on the page).


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