See here for Nightmare Fuel
, which has frequent enough problems to deserve a thread of its own.
A while ago, I made a thread for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages, since they tend to attract all sorts of gushing about anything vaguely unsettling, as well as violations of Example Indentation and the Spoiler Policy among other problems. Well, other Moments pages have similar issues, though to a slightly lesser extent, so they may as well have a cleanup thread too.
"Moments" reactions should:
- Be free of spoiler tags, in accordance with the Spoilers Off policy which states that:
Fridge, Headscratchers, and the various Moments subpages (Tear Jerker, Moment of Awesome, etc.) are for post-viewing discussions. Spoiler tagging there defeats the purpose of the articles. You shouldn't be going there if you are worried about them.
- Be based on things that actually have happened, not things that could happen, will happen, or might have happened. Speculation belongs only on the Wild Mass Guessing pages.
- Have affected the writer of the entry themselves. If you don't find something funny or sad, let someone who did add it to Funny Moments or Tear Jerker.
- Elicit a strong reaction. Not every single time a character accomplishes something is an Awesome Moment, not every attempt at comedy is a Funny Moment, not every time someone does something nice is a Heartwarming Moment, and not every unhappy event is a Tear Jerker.
- Explain why they're so awesome/funny/sad: Zero Context Examples aren't allowed on this wiki. Your description should allow anyone to understand your reaction.
edited 30th Apr '18 6:39:13 PM by Zuxtron
CG for short
Was moving Marie Antoinette's wicks over to Marie Antoinette (2006) when I found this entry on Awesome.Clerks II:
- Cannes veteran Harvey Weinstein (pre-scandal) said it was the longest ovation for a midnight Cannes showing he had ever seen.
This counts as a meta-example and thus needs to be cut, right?
Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
Yep. Also stealth complaining.
CG for short
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
It's been snipped. Now, there's two entries left and thus the page is pretty short, so I have to move them over to the film's YMMV page and cutlist that page.
Not Sherlock Holmes
edit: never mind, it’s already been deleted
Edited by TalesofUnder on Jan 29th 2022 at 2:23:29 PM
“Now! Let us engage in the art of deduction!”
I found this in Funny.Clone High
- The theme for Cleopatra's awareness fair is...awareness.
- The expression she makes when she says this is oddly funny as well, somehow managing to look just like an emoji face meme while barely changing expression. 👁 👄 👁
Aren't we not allowed to have emojis on wiki pages?
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
(she/her)
Yeah, emojis and emoticons are frowned upon wiki on articles.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 31st 2022 at 1:43:38 PM
Macron's notes
Angry babby
It's demonstrative, but I guess cut the emojis if not allowed.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
RJ Savoy
Heartwarming.Hercules has a meta section with two links to what seems to be non-official media, and a behind-the-scenes entry. Should they go?
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
On principle, yes.
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
So someone decided to move Tearjerker examples from Nightmare Alley (2021) to its own page without checking some misused examples. Here's some examples:
- As horrible as Stan is, it's actually quite sad to see him become a homeless, alcoholic wreck at the end of the movie, who is so desperate for work that he agrees to be a geek, established as the lowest of the low amongst carnival workers.
- The power of a "spook show" over its audience is emphasized, with mentalists able to tap into the deep loss so many people feel; this makes the Kimballs' murder-suicide especially horrific, as Stan took their love and bereavement and twisted it into something destructive.
- Molly, easily the kindest and most innocent character, is manipulated constantly by Stan and ends the movie on the run, her fate unknown.
Chronic lore addict
Hey, uh, the firing of a real person breaks NRLEP if it's used in Tear Jerker without extra context, right? Because TearJerker.Hololive got a kneejerk example for just that added moments after the relevant news broke.
Edited by TrocyteV on Feb 24th 2022 at 12:32:53 PM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
Is it something that happens in the work? No. Then it should be removed.
Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Feb 24th 2022 at 8:21:34 AM
That's not about a work, that's about a streamer personality. I would say the streamer getting terminated or dying would apply to the page because if it doesn't then the whole page might as well not exist.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Tear Jerker is No Real Life Examples Please.
Even for content that are based in real life? Every streamer/podcast page has real life moments in their tearjerker sections.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yes, even for those. We trope the works, not the people behind the works.
Additionally, even if it wasn't NRLEP, moments pages also exclude "meta", that is, anything not in the work.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Since the work is based in real life everything about it is based on the people behind it. Every example on the moments page of those works are based on the people doing something. I don't see how the people being permanently gone wouldn't also apply.
Also, there are meta examples that detail the author's death or success of the media on pages of some of the most popular media like Berserk, Avengers Endgame, Undertale, Pokemon etc. All of these are not allowed? I find it hard to believe people here have missed them.
Edited by Shad0wSmoke on Feb 24th 2022 at 12:42:14 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
You can also find Zero-Context Examples on all of those same work pages. Are those allowed? Just because a lot of people do a thing doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Fair enough. In any case, in regards to this example, it actually isn't about the person behind the character being fired, but the character herself being permanently retired as well so I think this definitely should be applicable especially since there are already other instances of characters being retired on there.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I think that No Real Life Examples, Please! means that, say, the streamer dying or getting fired isn't an example (since it's not part of the work), but if there's a memorial video where the other members of the cast talk about what happened, that can count since it IS part of the work.
~avitus92 re-added the example that was removed by ~Trocyte.
Since other streamers/characters have reacted to the announcement and there was a joint video about it that should count right?
Chronic lore addict
I'm going to say no (for the most part), in this case. There's very minimal emotional charge in all of the official comments on the situation except for the longer video address posted by Pekora. Even then, it's clear that it's a case of speaking through a given persona and outside of what counts as "in" the work rather than as them.
At the bare minimum, I would restrict any examples to said address, and for the love of god keep the speculation about what's going to happen next off the page.
Edited by TrocyteV on Feb 24th 2022 at 5:34:00 AM
"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"
I don't see how this is different than any of the other incidents of members retiring on that page other than thinking being fired is less sad than being laid off. They're all the same in-work and out-work wise. I can agree that the speculation section can go until it happens though.
Both are cut. I will work on the Awesome Music entry later.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread