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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jun 26th 2017 at 8:16:23 AM

Just cutlisted The Other Side. Dewicked it beforehand. Now working on subpages.

I think that DarthWiki.The Other Side page is unrelated, so I'm leaving it unless someone can clarify. I've cutlisted the YMMV page.

edited 26th Jun '17 8:18:49 AM by WaterBlap

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Jul 4th 2017 at 4:39:05 PM

Should Ted have a page? Although, it does host TEDTalks, which could be troped, it doesn't have any tropes listed... And only has 11 wicks.

edited 4th Jul '17 4:39:18 PM by Malady

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 4th 2017 at 6:32:37 PM

I just dewicked and cutlisted Thunderf00t and its subpages (Trivia.Thunderf00t, Heartwarming.Thunderf00t, Funny.Thunderf00t, and Awesome.Thunderf00t).

I'm going to start a new crowner shortly, given the consensus-to-cut pages that have had no further discussion have all been dewicked and cutlisted.

— After this line concerns the crowner(s).

New crowner can be found here! (hollering to hook)

Newly added

  • Quackwatch (brought to the thread on 17 Apr 2017) | 10 wicks
  • Yoyo Games (brought to the thread on 21 May 2017) | 10 wicks
  • Ted (brought to the thread on 4 Jul 2017) | 11 wicks

Ongoing Discussions:
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EDIT:

I'm also adding the following sites to the crowner because they weren't added to the first crowner:

  • Scorehero (brought to the thread on 3 Feb 2017) | 3 wicks
  • Fantendo (brought to the thread on 21 Mar 2017) | 19 wicks
  • Bash Org (brought to the thread on 22 Mar 2017) | 48 wicks
  • Ustream (brought to the thread on 12 Jan 2017) | 26 wicks

edited 4th Jul '17 7:49:50 PM by WaterBlap

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 6th 2017 at 11:33:31 AM

  • Votes bump. If you already voted in the crowner, you should look at it again because four more entries were added to it (on the 4th). There was quite a bit of backlog.
  • Should the title of this thread be modified like the RL maintenance thread? That is, should it have "(New crowner added 4 July 2017)"?
  • When should discussion for Tumblr and eBay be closed? I'd think that if we can't agree on what to do by the end of the month, then they ought to be dewicked and cut, since the crowner already determined that there is consensus to cut.

edited 6th Jul '17 11:34:36 AM by WaterBlap

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InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Jul 6th 2017 at 5:35:08 PM

If we're cutting Quackwatch, its opposite number Natural News should probably go too. The examples list is there more to criticize the author than anything (yes, he's wrong, but one that's not what we're here for and two it's possible flamebait.)

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 6th 2017 at 6:18:45 PM

[up] Its relation to Quackwatch is less important than the fact there's few examples on that page that should stay regardless of the page's survival (e.g. Early Installment Weirdness). Most of the other examples are troping RL persons, troping by proxy, and calling RL persons (in this case, a particular individual) evil (Stupid Evil). I'm culling the egregious stuff now, then I'll add it to the crowner.

EDIT:

Should we have comment markup or something to put on the page so people can say their peace if they curate the page or like the work in question? Or would that be bad, idk.

edited 6th Jul '17 6:32:24 PM by WaterBlap

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 10th 2017 at 8:40:26 AM

Votes bump. The week is almost up for the following pages:

edited 10th Jul '17 7:29:25 PM by WaterBlap

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 11th 2017 at 6:47:46 PM

I think it's safe to call the following. I'm inclined to think they won't come back from such a strong consensus:

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I'm tempted to call this one as "no consensus to cut" though it doesn't have many votes.

  • No consensus to cut:
    • Ted: 4,6 (1:1.5), 10 votes

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Pending? The clock's up for these today but they didn't get 10+ votes:

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Pending:

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EDIT: I added a trope to Ted from its wick list. That's so many, I know, but it looks like we might be keeping the page, so I guess it should be cleaned up a bit.

edited 11th Jul '17 8:00:06 PM by WaterBlap

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 14th 2017 at 9:21:33 AM

I think it's safe to call Bash Org, Fantendo, and Ted. I gave them some more time because they weren't particularly stabling out, but they have now.

  • Consensus to cut:
  • No consensus:
    • Fantendo: 5, 5 (1:1); 10 votes
    • Ted: 4, 7 (1:1.75); 11 votes

There's also the issue of Tumblr and eBay. There was consensus to cut those pages, but there was a discussion prolonging their being cut. It looks like the discussion has closed, so I guess we're just going to cut them instead?

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Pending:

edited 14th Jul '17 9:22:38 AM by WaterBlap

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Jul 14th 2017 at 11:45:09 AM

So, bringing up Not Always Right 'cause we've cut Bash.org... So shouldn't we then cut that as well, 'cause they're both reporting proportedly real life conversations? ...

Accidentally added a thing to the crowner. Please fix? Or something?

edited 14th Jul '17 11:57:51 AM by Malady

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desdendelle Grey Crow from on top of a polar bear's head Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Grey Crow
Jul 14th 2017 at 11:55:06 AM

[up] I don't think that "this reports IRL stuff" is always grounds for cutting things (otherwise this whole wiki would be NRELP). 'sides, it has something to the effect of 8,000 inbounds.

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Jul 14th 2017 at 12:05:20 PM

Well, given the previous crowner, NAR just wasn't cut 'cause there weren't enough votes... Oh... :facepalm: That means it's possible that NAR is against policy...

edited 14th Jul '17 12:06:16 PM by Malady

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 14th 2017 at 3:10:17 PM

I think NAR should not go on this or even the next crowner. Though there was no decision-by-consensus about keeping it, there is a point to be made that items shouldn't be rotated onto the crowner until they get a consensus to cut. That tactic can wear people thin and they may eventually be inclined to vote to cut just to get it out of the sight of the thread. Pages that don't get consensus to cut ought to be edited prior to being put on the next crowner, imo.

That said, NAR does need to be cleaned up. It does still have a weblinks-as-examples problem.

I think a part of the previous crowner's problem (remember that it eventually stalled) was that there were obnoxious or emotionally charged descriptions. NAR's entry could probably have read "Weblink ZCE problem, not a tropeable work, gossiping about RL persons" (I am not saying that that's the case, but I am saying that's essentially what the last crowner's entry already had in it). Instead, it read as "Not so much a work as a whinefest/RL gossip cesspit; the main NAR page (and likely the others as well) also also has a major weblink ZCE problem."

How you phrase a question (in surveys and the like) can dramatically skew people's responses, and I think NAR might have had consensus one way or the other if it hadn't been for a complainy crowner entry.

My point is that NAR might come back to another crowner, but I think there should be some time and energy put into the page between crowners.

Plus what [up][up] said about the wicks. That'll probably affect decisions...

edited 14th Jul '17 3:11:17 PM by WaterBlap

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Jul 14th 2017 at 4:16:05 PM

[up] - Okay. So, was Bash.org cut just because all its examples were ZC Es?

'Cause if so, should / could I recreate with proper context? A.k.a quoting everything so Examples are the content instead of Weblinks?

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 15th 2017 at 7:20:21 AM

[up] No, it was also cut because whether it was even a tropeable work to start with was brought into question. It wasn't just because of ZC Es.

As for recreating it, you could ask in Ask The Tropers, but I think that would subvert the point of this thread. Remember, it wasn't just that there were ZC Es; the tropeability of the work was also brought into question. Thus, if you recreate the page, other pages we cut for not being tropeable could — potentially at least — come back, but if those pages were cut because they weren't tropeable works... It just seems like a can of worms.

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Jul 15th 2017 at 11:18:29 AM

[up] - I see. ... And as NAR is still undecided, and I based my argument for Bash.org on the tropability of NAR... Any discussion of any bring-backs of similar things should be tabled until NAR is resolved, or whatever.

And even if it is tropable, the Web Archive has copies we can use to bring things back, so not much is lost.

Basically, "I'm willing to let this topic rest."

edited 15th Jul '17 11:19:07 AM by Malady

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 15th 2017 at 5:18:01 PM

Some other works from Other Sites to consider:

  • The Zeldathon Team: This seems to be the same thing as Zeldathon, which the previous crowner had strong consensus to cut. On its own merits, this page could potentially be made a Let's Play/ page, but I think it's written primarily as an event. Are events tropeable works? (It has 5 wicks and 1,084 inbounds, and its Main/ redirect has 1 wick and 769 inbounds.)
  • YTMND: Could be cleaned up. Its trope list has a lot of ZC Es. It has 99 wicks and 979 inbounds (+37 Main/ page wicks that need to be moved over), and it's kind of a part of the history of the Internet? I want to say it ought to be renamed at the least but if it goes on the crowner and gets cut, renaming it ahead of time would mean editing almost 200 wicks and that seems silly.
  • Yahoo!: I don't think this is a tropeable work. The description seems to be about Yahoo-the-business, and a quick skim of its trope list seems to be focused on the business and its competitors. (51 wicks and 242 inbounds; Main/ has 10 wicks and 23 inbounds.)

edited 15th Jul '17 5:18:15 PM by WaterBlap

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 16th 2017 at 5:40:32 PM

Calling Natural News (11, 1; 12 votes) because it's been stable for a while and it isn't likely to come back from where it is.

Adding the following:

(Their clocks are up Monday, 24 July, rather than this coming Sunday. Just to be clear.)

edited 16th Jul '17 5:48:54 PM by WaterBlap

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InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Jul 17th 2017 at 6:03:37 PM

I'm still for making a Useful Notes page out of Tumblr rather than cutting it outright because of its size, large number of inbounds and wicks, and the site's significance as a fandom hub. It's a lot closer to being tropeable than eBay. :P But I'm just one person.

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 17th 2017 at 6:19:52 PM

In eBay's defense, it already has a list of "References to [subject] in media."

I feel like Tumblr has enough recognition off the Internet to have a decent number of Referenced by... examples to support making it a Useful Note... I just can't seem to find them.

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 24th 2017 at 6:03:14 PM

Votes bump and tallies notification. Nothing is yet in consensus range.

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razorrozar7 I am having much enjoyment! from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I am having much enjoyment!
Jul 25th 2017 at 7:57:28 PM

Walfas needs an entry (actually, I'm pretty sure it can just be summarily cutlisted, but since there's a thread I brought it here first). Every example on the page is a ZCE, the description is completely uninformative, it's not indexed, and perhaps most damningly it has zero crosswicks.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Jul 26th 2017 at 6:30:42 AM

I can bring Walfas up in the Touhou thread and see if someone wants to fix it.

Also, when you mention the state of the page, don't exaggerate or lie. While most examples don't have context, some do, so saying "Every example on the page is a ZCE..." is blatantly lying.

edited 26th Jul '17 6:37:11 AM by AnotherDuck

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razorrozar7 I am having much enjoyment! from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I am having much enjoyment!
Jul 26th 2017 at 6:39:20 AM

Okay, there are two examples out of eleven that aren't ZC Es. It wasn't my intent to lie; I just didn't pay close enough attention. I was tired.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Jul 28th 2017 at 10:28:51 AM

I think these three items are ready to call. They've been stable for over four days. I'll make the next crowner when I get home (I have six pages waiting for discussion/crowner entry, but I can't recall them off the top of my head).

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Here's the information for the new crowner.

Link to crowner: here

I'm not adding Walfas given this comment by AnotherDuck. If the page is still a stub with a Zero Context Example problem by mid-August or something, we can probably put it on the crowner.

Also, I actually had eight pages to add to the crowner.

  • YA Books Central: Not a tropeable work (neither fiction nor non-fiction), troping user antics | 2 wicks, 25 inbounds
  • Xanas Lair: Not a tropeable work (forums), hosts roleplays; troping user antics | 3 wicks 47 inbounds (+85 inbounds from Main/)
  • Wyrmrest Accord: Stub page, no trope list for the work (it's effectively a character sheet) | 2 wicks, 14 inbounds
  • Wrong Planet: Not a tropeable work (forums), troping users | 6 wicks, 218 inbounds (+44 from Main/)
  • The World Of Mr Satanism: The website no longer exists, and google searching for this work doesn't come up with much. Should the content of this page be moved to another namespace (Creator/ or Web Comic/, for example) since it doesn't really appear to be have focused on the website-as-work but rather website-as-host. | 1 wick, 110 inbounds
  • Weegeepedia: This page is effectively a page for a meme (just look at the Nightmare Fuel/ and WMG/ pages). | 3 wicks, 253 inbounds
  • Harkipedia: While this seems to be a work in its own right, I can't tell if this is just effectively troping memes or not. If we keep it, I think it's in the wrong namespace. | 1 wick, 41 inbounds
  • Pixiv: Not a tropeable work (hosts artwork), tropes list is not troping anything but rather is a list of links for search tags. Given the amount of wicks for this page, I think this may work as a Useful Note for artists. | 118 wicks (+47 from Main/), 1675 inbounds

edited 28th Jul '17 2:03:20 PM by WaterBlap

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