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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#2251: Jan 5th 2023 at 1:43:59 PM

[up][up] If the character is the subtrope and not, strictly speaking, the supertrope then the subtrope ought to be the one referenced in the laconic. Thus, I can understand why Jerkass was de-wicked from the page. However, I feel like the original laconic works better than the current. Though honestly the trope is more about his social behavior rather than his ethics, so maybe we could change the laconic to:

A great doctor who is a horribly rude person.

And yeah we should remove the current comment as well.

Edited by WaterBlap on Jan 5th 2023 at 3:44:16 AM

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2252: Jan 5th 2023 at 1:51:26 PM

As the person who added the comment, I feel it's safe to cut it now.

Shadeblade11 (Troper Journeyman)
#2253: Jan 6th 2023 at 8:57:40 PM

So Laconic.Sinkhole has sinkholes. I know it demonstrates it, but like Laconic.Pothole previously, this is annoying, and I would rather cut them all.

Irrelevant/misused/out-of-place Pothole(s).



RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2254: Jan 6th 2023 at 11:11:07 PM

[up]I honestly don't see the big deal; it's just a short Self-Demonstrating Article.


Reposting.

In Laconic.Sinister Minister, someone added this part (I put it in bold):
A villainous or very morally-grey anti-heroic preacher.
However, the main page just states this is a villainous trope. In one edit, the troper cited an example. However, I checked the character page of the work in question, and I didn't see Sinister Minister even potholed.

Do you all think it would be fine if I remove it?

ElRise I fix my examples all the time from The Dying City (Season 2) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
I fix my examples all the time
#2255: Jan 7th 2023 at 1:35:56 AM

I think it's fine to remove it.

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#2257: Jan 7th 2023 at 9:31:37 AM

Regarding Laconic.Sinkhole, there's a discussion and crowner ongoing on which kinds of pages should even have laconics at all.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2258: Jan 7th 2023 at 4:47:28 PM

Bumping this again, cause third time’s the charm.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#2259: Jan 8th 2023 at 8:25:59 AM

Laconic.Ojou: "A non-royal princess."

Maybe unclear? Suggesting:

A girl from a rich family that is treated / treats herself like of a higher social class.

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#2260: Jan 8th 2023 at 9:08:15 AM

[up][up] Honestly, I think they all need to be changed as they all rely on knowledge of other works to make any sense.

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#2261: Jan 8th 2023 at 9:30:30 AM

[up] That's not the question, I believe they're asking if anyone can brainstorm.

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Officially intimidated
#2262: Jan 8th 2023 at 1:11:44 PM

[up][up][up]I support that suggestion.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2263: Jan 8th 2023 at 8:26:00 PM

Laconic.Miss Kuroitsu From The Monster Development Department:

A Work Com where the workplace is SHOCKER.

Suggestion:

A Work Com about an organization trying to Take Over the World.

Although, it doesn't say anything about Monster Development...

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Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2264: Jan 8th 2023 at 10:18:06 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, so those anyone have any ideas?

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2265: Jan 8th 2023 at 10:27:12 PM

Kimi Ni Todoke:

"Scary girl notices the most popular boy in school crushing on her and reciprocates"?

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Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2266: Jan 9th 2023 at 6:39:15 AM

[up] How about:

"A scary looking girl falls in love with a popular guy who reciprocates her feelings"

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 9th 2023 at 10:41:17 PM

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2267: Jan 9th 2023 at 8:34:21 AM

[up] - Yep, better!

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Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2268: Jan 9th 2023 at 6:00:55 PM

Replced the Kimi Ni Todoke laconic. But what about the others?

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2269: Jan 9th 2023 at 6:12:05 PM

Shadow Hearts could say something about being "A video game series set in the early 20th century"?

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Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2270: Jan 9th 2023 at 6:22:28 PM

[up] Sorry doesn't seem accurate. No offense

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2271: Jan 9th 2023 at 7:41:19 PM

[up] - It's fine. I just glanced at the page, and the details I felt competent enough to summarize it seemed to say that all its games were set in that time.

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I'm helping!
#2272: Jan 18th 2023 at 7:06:49 AM

Laconic.Macekre currently reads

A strong case of Bowdlerisation to a work that is quite contentious.

which is just completely incorrect.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#2273: Jan 18th 2023 at 8:19:29 AM

"A Frankenslation or other changes to a translated work that viewers consider shoddy"?

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Officially intimidated
#2274: Jan 19th 2023 at 8:44:15 PM

Super Mario Galaxy has a generic Recycled In Space laconic. What about this suggestion:

"Bowser plans to take over the universe, so Mario embarks on an adventure out of his world to stop him"

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Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#2275: Jan 19th 2023 at 10:04:23 PM

[up] Looks good to me

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