The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

It sounds like a bog-standard ecchi, aside from the bestiality angle. And we don't police bestiality in works like we do pedopandering.

It sounds like the attempted bestiality is just an off-color running gag, not something actually depicted as happening, but it does need an actual check of the source.

Sorry to pester, but does anyone else have an opinion on what to do with Oh So Hero?

Again, the page is mostly just about the game's pornographic elements, with only a handful of mentions of the Excuse Plot, and most of the gameplay descriptions are pornographic as well.

I'd like to just submit a cut request but if someone thinks the page can be salvaged, I don't want to just throw it to the lions.

I'm not trying to arguing that the bestiality thing is anything other than a really stupid and distasteful gag; I was mainly curious whether such a gag would run afoul of the 5P.^note Also, its EN publisher is Yen Press who is owned by Hachette, who I wouldn't think would risk their reputation by publishing actual bestiality

I skimmed the page and it leads me to believe anyone who plays that game would see more dick than a urinal at the Super Bowl.

All I can say is that if this game isn't pure porn or titillation, the page does absolutely nothing to reinforce that claim. I don't think it's salvageable — at least not to the extent that users wouldn't start one-hand typing in the future — but I'm not interested in investigating further so take that for what it's worth.

I've put in a request to cut Oh So Hero

We'll see what happens.

It's also got one of the oddest Related pages I've seen on my short time here so far, it's hardly been crosswicked, only appearing in 6 articles (one of which is a sandbox version of an index that it's already in and one being the useful notes page on its engine). Despite this, it has a whopping 1625 inbound links, which just adds to my thoughts of the page effectively being a one handed self-indulgent project.

It's been primarily edited by a single troper (who I cannot check the page or history of because their name contains punctuation... need some backup on that) with the exception of a handful of edits from other tropers that mostly consist of formatting changes.

Edited by Tonwen on Dec 27th 2021 at 8:46:29 AM

This is a little too thin and hasty, I think. Needs more discussion and I'll decline the cut request in the meantime.

Fair is fair, I was being a bit rash.

I still stand by wanting to cut it unless it gets a full rewrite and reassessment though, page really gives off "I enjoy this far too much for my own good" vibes to me, not to mention the extremely heavy emphasis on the pornographic elements in the example list.

Threw a content violation report out for it for the time being though.

Edited by Tonwen on Dec 28th 2021 at 2:54:15 PM

I will say that as someone who has played the game (Don’t judge me, your search history probably betrays your words) the non-pornographic merits are mostly in the gameplay, and even that is heavily built around pornographic content, from how you deal with enemies to how you interact with NPCs to even some of the ability animations. So I’d say, yeah, it most likely violates the content policy and should probably be cut.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Dec 28th 2021 at 4:25:29 AM

With that, I think we can cut it

Thanks. It helps to have someone who's actually consumed the media instead of just going by the trope page.

According to this ATT post, MGT School was reported for not existing, despite it... well, existing (I just linked to the videos on the trope page, they can be found here). It can be seen in the content violation reports; it was reported fairly recently, on December 23. Just alerting you guys so it doesn't get cut (it probably wouldn't have been anyways, but I just want to err on the side of caution).

Yeah, it wouldn't have been cut because p5 always discusses things first. But thanks for the callout, the report has been removed.

Since I saw Funbag Fantasy Series is still in limbo since my last report, here is an update for those still on the fence.

In terms of pedophilia or non-standard sex content, good news is this is fairly vanilla generally. If you get off on the paizuri fetish, women with massive "tracts of land", and a lot of sex comedy of the vanilla medieval fantasy harem type, that's the basics.

That said, I won't mince words, it's wall to ceiling porn with just enough plot to have some transitions between the sex scenes. It does have a clever parody of 13th-17th century European politics if you actually care to read the dialogue, but you have to tune out a LOT of sex scenes to distill this plot (and the game itself does not expect you to pay too much attention, you can tune it out very easily because it's just a backdrop for the porn), and even most of that is filtered through a sex comedy lens, so no less than half the sex scenes will happen as the plot is unfolding, nothing is avoidable, you just choose a few different paths with some early endings and a "true" (aka Harem) ending, but none of the porn is skippable.

There is an anime adaptation of the first two-thirds of the first game if you want to see them skip the pretenses of plot and just string together the sex scenes (and some changes to condense things aside it preserves the sexual content nigh intact with barely any Excuse Plot to interrupt it), and it neatly sums up the whole point of the series, which is "nukige" as mentioned before.

If you look up the CG's for the game (not hard to find if you look for Kyonyuu/Funbag Fantasy hentai cgs) and its sequels, and they are wall to ceiling porn scenes.

If that is vanilla enough to keep, cool. That said, aside from my own contributions (which I again will relicense from All The Tropes to TV Tropes) to our own pages on the topic on my wiki to this one, I request all content not written by me scraped off the current versions here on TV Tropes (at least that not by original authors to here or self-plagiarized by authors we have in common who did not make clear their relicensing per Creative Commons rules) to square things on the copyright side.

Aside from that, don't have anything else to contribute that might help, just hope my fellow tropers are having a wonderful new year.

Edited by GethN7 on Jan 11th 2022 at 3:20:04 AM

I'd like to bring River Passage to attention. The description starts by calling it an NSFW comic and from looking through the trope page (which looks to have a lot of misuse and Not a Deconstruction, it's how I found it in the first place, but that's another issue) it looks like there's very little to it other than someone being stabbed and getting molested while she dies. But the account that posted the comic is deactivated, so the link on the page is dead. I'm not really sure what the protocol is for comics that might violate P5 yet there's no active link on the page to be sure. Or ones that don't seem to have explicit sex yet sound mostly devoted to death-fetish stuff.

If nothing else the page could use a rewrite trimming obvious misuse (right after making this post I'll delete the example under the Gag Boobs page since it doesn't look like an example of the trope at all) but again, it's difficult to do that with dead links. Again I'm genuinely not sure where something like this falls under.

EDIT: and Okay.

Edited by greatpikminfan on Jan 9th 2022 at 5:59:38 AM

Honestly, I'd just cut it. If it specifically sounds like fetish stuff and the link is dead, I don't really see a point in trying to retrieve it just to check.

Yeaah it sounds like pretty clear porn comic. Plus one to cutting it.

I brought this up in the other thread (whoops my bad), but: I really don't think that OmujoOmutsuJoshi is anything other than pure fetish porn, and probably shouldn't be on the wiki. A cursory browse should pretty easily confirm this.

Edit: +1 to cutting River Passage.

Edited by Palindromee on Jan 11th 2022 at 12:31:45 PM

Hm. Just by the trope page, I wouldn't assume River Passage is "pure porn" - it could go either way, but we can't judge for ourselves. If we cut it, it's because the work can't be found, not as a P5 call.

Would the Borgia comic series by Jodorowsky and Manara be tropable?

It contains a lot of porn (it is a Manara comic), some of it quite fetishistic or disturbing, but there's also a lot of actual plot and non-porn tropes (notably some Artistic Licence – Physics and history).

Sounds tropable, so long as you have stuff to trope besides the porn.

Eh, I agree to just cutting River Passage; I mean, you can't find nothing even with a wayback machine (I've already tried that with other similarly deleted deviantart pages)

River Passage should be cut for the simple reason that it's inaccessible.

Plus from the descriptions it sounds like fairly blatant guro/ryona fetish porn, but regardless of that, no public access to the work+no real logging of what it was=cut.

Reading the Omujo page. It seems like fetish ecchi rather than fetish porn.

• Bleached Underpants: Omujo's creator, Tsuttsu, has hentai works to their credit containing similar elements of Potty Failure, diapers, and even some lolicon. Omujo itself, however, is significantly toned down and would not be much different from many other ecchi harem series if not for the inclusion of diapers in the premise.

While the fetish aspect may be enough to damn it, looking at the prior discussion on the Content Policy Discussion thread, in terms of actual content it's overall fairly tame. No nudity of any kind and the most common fanservice are panty shots (or equivalent) and instances of Potty Failure.

Regardless of the explicitness of the material, the plot is essentially an Excuse Plot in service of the fetish, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a black mark against keeping it. (new to this, sorry lol)