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Edited by nombretomado on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:12:58 AM

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Oct 4th 2019 at 2:17:51 PM

[up][up]"Title 2000" would be a better name.

Steel be with you.
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oct 5th 2019 at 4:29:16 PM

Definitely take it to TRS.

As for me, I could not help but notice that the Evil Is Cool subpages are filled with ZCEs, often just listing the name of the villain without explaining what makes them cool. Please help.

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 5th 2019 at 4:30:31 PM

[up] Yep, that's a problem.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Oct 5th 2019 at 5:29:55 PM

Does Trope 2000 need a wick check for a TRS thread to be opened? I don't think it should.

Steel be with you.
Oct 5th 2019 at 9:10:30 PM

[up]Not sure. Maybe go and Ask The Tropers.

[up][up] Can you help me expand on, or at least comment out, these examples, please?

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 5th 2019 at 9:11:15 PM

[up] Aye. I'll try and get some subpages cleaned tomorrow after work.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
GastonRabbit A troper draws near! from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
A troper draws near!
Oct 6th 2019 at 2:00:18 AM

[up][up][up]Tropes For Dummies was renamed to Parodies for Dummies with no wick check. I'm not sure if that was because the use of "trope" as a placeholder is a special case when it comes to name changes, or because there was another factor I overlooked (such as a lack of use). Either way, the list of good arguments on Everything You Wanted to Know About Changing Names lists the use of "trope" as a placeholder separately from other cases.

I looked at the Related tab and there are 184 wicks, but since the trope had a limited lifespan (due to its "expiration date" being nearly two decades ago), I'd imagine the threshold for what's considered thriving is lower than with Parodies for Dummies, despite having more wicks.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 6th 2019 at 4:26:39 AM

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wingedcatgirl it's her... the real winged cat girl... from Catgirl Heaven, presumably Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
it's her... the real winged cat girl...
Oct 6th 2019 at 6:16:04 AM

Manga.Elemental Gelade has tons of examples that are just the trope name and nothing else.

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 6th 2019 at 2:56:37 PM

[up] Scrubbed.

Will start on Evil Is Cool soon.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Oct 8th 2019 at 5:24:57 PM

[up] Hey, just wanted to know if you have fixed it yet. If you have not, do not worry, take your time.

WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 8th 2019 at 6:09:24 PM

Sorry, forgot.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 9th 2019 at 12:26:56 PM

Wrong thread

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2019 at 3:27:42 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Oct 9th 2019 at 2:06:14 PM

I need a second opinion for one dispute.

Is this enough of a context for these tropes? From Music.Miserable.

  • Ode to Intoxication: The band's singer has stated that, if not interpreted as an anti-love song, it could also be about addiction.
  • Rule of Sexy: Pamela Anderson struts around in little more than a white bikini? Why not? Is a huge part of the video as an overall concept.

1) Ode to Intoxication: Clearly ZCE in my book. It doesn't say what lyrics in the song or events in the music video allude to intoxication.

2) Rule of Sexy is actually a supertrope. The basic idea is that something unlikely, improbable or impossible happens in fiction, but viewers are okay with that because it's sexy. I don't see this explained in the example context. Not to mention supertropes that function as indexes are listed as tropes only when none of the subtropes is applicable, which I don't think is the case here.

The troper who insists this is okay as example context is actually edit-warring.

Edited by XFllo on Oct 9th 2019 at 11:07:47 AM

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 9th 2019 at 2:08:01 PM

[up] I agree with you.

What troper?

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Oct 9th 2019 at 2:14:07 PM

[up] Drakos 25. I reported his editing in AtT. War Jay, would you please re-comment Ode to Intoxication and delete (or comment out, whichever you prefer) Rule of Sexy? If you were so kind... I don't want to edit war. (ETA: As far as I know, he — I presume he's a he — hasn't asked about those examples anywhere in the discussion and he hasn't PMed me either to seek consensus, despite the fact that I sent him notifiers and messages about his problematic edits.)

Edited by XFllo on Oct 9th 2019 at 11:17:12 AM

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 9th 2019 at 2:31:57 PM

[up] Done.

Also starting on some of the Evil Is Cool pages. They have more issues than just context.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 9th 2019 at 5:55:26 AM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 9th 2019 at 3:18:26 PM

I did the Anime/Manga, Comic Books, Literature, and both Films subpages.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
razorrozar7 I am having much enjoyment! from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I am having much enjoyment!
Oct 10th 2019 at 2:25:21 PM

MOTHER 3 is in dire need of cleanup.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
Oct 11th 2019 at 9:01:15 PM

The Rule of Sexy example should be changed to a Fanservice example, as that fits it better.

And thank you, @War Jay 77, for finally helping out. By the way, what other problems besides context did you find?

Edited by MasterN on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:03:17 AM

XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Oct 12th 2019 at 4:01:46 AM

[up] Fanservice and Ms. Fanservice are already on the page.

(To me, the Rule of Sexy on the page is obviously redundant and frankly, it points to Entry Pimping; I understand the sentiment that an editor wants to have as many tropes as can be on the page but Tropes Are Tools. Works are not better for using or not using a particular trope.)

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WarJay77 Simba is tired from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Simba is tired
Oct 12th 2019 at 5:19:20 AM

[up][up] Mostly natter and shoehorns.

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 12th 2019 at 8:20:51 AM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Oct 13th 2019 at 6:00:49 PM

Are scales like Mohs Scale of Violence Hardness and Sliding Scale of Adaptation Modification tropes or indexes? Neither of them do indexing, and this ATT says Mohs Scale of Violence Hardness is a trope and thus all examples require context, but this ATT says "Usually, scales are indexes."

Steel be with you.
Oct 13th 2019 at 7:31:13 PM

I dunno any scales that'd be more trope than index, do you?

Help with possible disambig and redirect issues!
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Oct 13th 2019 at 9:59:58 PM

Re: Trope 2000

Currently TRS is under a major backlog, hence why the thread may not have opened.

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