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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sep 19th 2011 at 2:03:54 PM

But it's one of the reasons for variations in hair colour in real people and that is reflected in anime and manga. It might never be mentioned unless it's important, but that's more conservation of detail.

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Sep 19th 2011 at 2:42:40 PM

It's more like Dyeing your hair is looked down on in Japan, most schools outright ban it because of Delinquents. The only other type that might dye their hair are Cosplay Otaku Girl and that's about it. (They dont usually get it in works.)

Anyway when this trope is not used Only Six Faces is harder to hide like Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei which only has the blonde (who is foreign) and has to use other things. So adding a red head or other natural but unlikely colors helps diversity without breaking the magic You Gotta Have Colorful Hair barrier.

edited 19th Sep '11 2:44:33 PM by Raso

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sep 19th 2011 at 2:45:27 PM

Raso, the purpose of this thread is to remove Fan Myopia and cultural specificness. Not add more of it.

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Sep 19th 2011 at 3:01:22 PM

Well I was just explaining why it's rarely hair Dye... It's their natural hair color I wasn't saying add it to the page.

And it's hard to see this able to be used outside of Asia at all really. It would be PSOC anywhere else.... A guy with red hair in America or Europe ooh scandal. (/sarcasm)

But adding something like

When this trope is not used Only Six Faces is harder to hide and have to use other things to distinguish the characters. So adding a red head or other natural but unlikely colors helps diversity without breaking the magic You Gotta Have Colorful Hair barrier.
This would be good I think.

edited 19th Sep '11 3:52:24 PM by Raso

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Sep 20th 2011 at 2:54:32 PM

I swapped the description for Implausible Hair Color, and added a little bit in the justification section about hair dye. I do think a reference to Only Six Faces is a good idea, but I can't see a good spot for it.

Ookamikun Wolves, wolves, wolves! from the lupine den
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Sep 24th 2011 at 9:21:43 AM

Honestly, yeah, there needs to be less bias on titles, especially on the tropes beginning with certain instances (e.g. the "specific to Japanese shows" and such). Hell, one could argue that Iron Man fits too, as I recall some instances of him bringing a relatively minor transforming device that allows him to put on his armor.

Also, we should remove the Transformation Trinket qualifier, since it's pretty much optional.

edited 24th Sep '11 9:22:16 AM by Ookamikun

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RJSavoy Reymmă from Edinburgh Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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Aug 17th 2012 at 7:21:04 AM

Is this really a problem of Fan Myopia, or a failure to understand that Tropes Are Flexible and that story elements from one genre can appear in other, mutatis mutandis?

edited 17th Aug '12 7:21:16 AM by RJSavoy

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ
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Aug 19th 2012 at 12:19:39 PM

[up]Six of one, half a dozen of the other, IMO. Much of the time, overly rigid definitions are applied to tropes because of Fan Myopia

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Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Nov 7th 2012 at 11:55:46 PM

Why is Most Annoying Sound limited to toys and video games?

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SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 9th 2012 at 3:22:24 PM

I think the first line in the description might be it. No evidence in the page history.

Nov 10th 2012 at 7:36:47 AM

Most Annoying Sound is supposed to be limited to video games because it's supposed to be when you click on a unit (or you're under attack or whatever), there's usually only one voice clip, so it gets real annoying, real fast. That might need expanding, but I think that's a TRS issue.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 24th 2012 at 6:06:32 AM

Figured this would be the best thread: Is this really video game specific? I don't think so, but there is disagreement.

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Nov 24th 2012 at 12:24:17 PM

[up]I'm inclined to think yes, it should be video-game specific - this is an actual game mechanic trope.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 28th 2012 at 3:44:02 AM

The way it's written and named, it doesn't sound Video Game specific to me.

Nov 28th 2012 at 1:00:33 PM

A version not about game play mechanics would just be Always Chaotic Evil, yeah?

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 28th 2012 at 1:04:19 PM

Yes, if you know the descriptions well. But many people go off the names. That's why I don't like that YKTTW's name.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 28th 2012 at 1:28:08 PM

Most Annoying Sound started out Video Game specific, as described above. Then it was allowed to decay to "complaining about sounds/voices/music/lines/catch phrases I don't like", then it was scrubbed, and restored to video game specific.

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SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 28th 2012 at 1:31:01 PM

I'll take a look at the wicks, then. I see some non-videogame versions.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 28th 2012 at 2:08:28 PM

I'm sorry; video game and toy-specific.

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Nov 28th 2012 at 3:43:19 PM

What about Color-Coded Armies? We are lacking a trope about using color motifs to tell different groups of people apart (like armies, teams, gangs, etc) and it seems like a good fit. I am not sure why it need to be game-only.

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Nov 29th 2012 at 8:21:20 AM

^ So far Color-Coded Characters has been for individual characters with different color motifs used to tell them apart, not for groups. That seems like a significantly different thing to me, but I may be wrong.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Nov 29th 2012 at 3:19:17 PM

Night of the Living Mooks. The description starts like a Video Game trope, but the rest of the page disagrees.

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Nov 30th 2012 at 4:27:57 AM

[up]In my opinion, that really shouldn't be videogame-specific. "The bad guy uses undead as mooks" is a staple of horror and fantasy works in all media.

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