Marvel Cinematic Universe

You may be right that we haven’t seen the last of those characters.

Here's the problems I see with that, as a fan of Daredevil.

1) Planning things out would be an absolute nightmare because they plan years in advance and would have to make everything follow not just the established elements from the films but also the shows ... and now the Disney+ shows. Overall the MCU is fairly good at maintaining continuity across everything (with a few mistakes here and there) ... despite the large number of people being involved and the cumulative number of years worth of established things building up. Trying to maintain that while implementing the stuff from the shows would be extremely difficult to do.

2) It's very likely that new contracts would have to be worked out for the actors. It sounded like the actors had film appearances in their contracts, if asked, but they were not guaranteed. Plus, since the shows got cancelled it's very likely that the contracts are no longer valid. Along with this problem is the fact that it's been years since the actors played the roles and they might not want to jump back in. To me it would be jarring if a good number of characters wound up being recast but several didn't, and I think others would feel the same way.

3) Tonally, the characters couldn't be the same and this would mean writing the characters in a manner that feels forced. The amount of cursing that the Netflix characters used is a prime example of this. The writers would have to write their dialogue to be similar to the shows, but mostly free of the expletives. People typically don't change entirely or even a lot and to have that many characters change in their speech would definitely be forced (some characters moreso than others). Then there are the very adult themes the shows explored, which would be almost entirely ignored in a PG-13 setting.

There are probably other issues I can't think of as well. I think the very best that the show fans could hope for is essentially a moderately rebooted version of the characters where some of the actors return but are playing new versions that maintain certain aspects of the previous version but none of the continuity. I don't know if actors would be okay with that to be honest. I personally wouldn't want to have an established way I portrayed a character to have to change it up to cater to a different tone.

Edited by dmcreif on Sep 19th 2021 at 3:41:39 PM

Oh well. We’d all love it if the Avengers and Defenders teamed up, but you can’t always have what would be ideal. In a comic you can have anyone meet anyone and other stuff that wouldn’t fit into the actors’ schedules.

Edited by Lymantria on Aug 4th 2021 at 11:26:07 AM

I'm a little optimistic about Vincent D'Onofrio, since he's often expressed interest in facing off against Spider-Man, who usually doesn't get super dark stories. So I feel he might be willing to play a slightly different version of Wilson Fisk for that reason alone. Not too sure about Charlie Cox or the rest of the Netflix MCU stuff though. I'm not too familiar with those incarnations, but I do agree that they're tonally much different than what the MCU at large is right now.

Would Jessica Jones be complaining the entire time of the team-up?

Though Iron Fist might benefit the most from the tone shift since he never fit in the gritty crime drama aesthetic of the other shows.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 4th 2021 at 4:33:20 AM

Calling it What If…? (2021) will do an episode where the Avengers assemble in The '90s. It starts out with Captain Marvel, Hank Pym and the Wasp….. before immediately going Off the Rails as the 90s Captain America, Vincent D'Onofrio’s Thor, an Iron Man played by Tom Cruise, and Blade join in on the mayhem, probably Episode 34.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Aug 4th 2021 at 8:43:20 AM

I'll wager against that call.

I just now realized the Avengers don't really have a direct evil alternate counterpart like the Justice League have in the Crime Syndicate.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 4th 2021 at 6:13:49 AM

No, that's the Avengers from the Ultimate universe.

Okay thats a good one.

Isn’t the MCU already 1/2 Ultimate already? Besides the part where Spider-Man dies of course.

Besides, they’re adapting Marvel Zombies, that’s enough cannibalism for one franchise!

Personally I believe it’s because the Avengers have a way more inconsistent roster then the Justice League, with those guys you have the core 7 and maybe a few add-one, but the avengers can have radically different line-ups depending on the time period and continuity.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Aug 5th 2021 at 2:53:03 PM

Huh.

There have been evil teams meant to match and counter the Avengers, but it's true there's no straight up Crime Syndicate version of the Avengers.

That's kinda funny to think about.

Avengers doesn’t do as much universe hopping as Justice League and the reason for that is because marvel never split their eras into different worlds despite recycling concepts

When the Avengers DO universe hop they tend to fight evil Justice League instead of evil Avengers

I really want an episode of a fucked up reality where things went terribly wrong and the Avengers are composed of Red Skull, Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger, Abomination, Rumlow/Crossbones with Jasper Sitwell as their Coulson and all under Alexander Pierce, Director of SHIELD/HYDRA.

Thought that role goes to the Masters of evil or Thunderbolts usually?

We’re talking a Crime Syndicate not a Legion of Doom

There was the evil version from Jonathan Hickman's run, but they were based off the original roster + Cap and so are missing some of their more iconic members (Vision, the Maximoffs, Hawkeye, etc).

For an Evil Counterpart for the Avengers, why not adapt the Intelligencia?

Isn't the Intelligencia more an Evil Counterpart of the Illuminati (which I hope we never get) rather than the Avengers.

The way the situation with Netflix works, it kind of does.

They can make new stuff with the characters, but the versions we saw in the Netflix shows belong to Netflix, not Marvel Studios. This means that we can get Luke Cage or Daredevil or Jessica Jones in upcoming projects, but they can never ever directly reference the events of any of the Netflix shows, so they're effectively Exiled from Continuity and it's more cost effective for Marvel Studios to just reintroduce them with retold backstories instead.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 4th 2021 at 8:01:38 AM

To be clear I mean evil counterparts like Alternate Universe evil selves.

Like Superman/Ultraman, Batman/Owlman, Flash/Johnny Quick.

It should be noted that the Crime Syndicate aren't actually alternate universe evil versions of the Justice League. Owlman for example is Thomas Wayne Jr., not Bruce Wayne. His universe's Bruce Wayne was his younger brother. Ultraman is not Kal-El but instead he's a different Kryptonian named Kal Il. The most recent version of Superwoman is not a counterpart of Diana but rather of Donna Troy.

Edited by M84 on Aug 4th 2021 at 11:12:10 PM

The Crime Syndicate is basically "what if in another universe a bunch of bad people ended up with the same roles and powers the Justice League had?"

Marvel doesn't "what if" as hard as DC does (heck, I can't even remember offhand a single major "alternate future where everyone turned cynical and/or evil" thing from Marvel - but there are several I can think of immediately from DC), so the closest Marvel has is the Ultimates, which was "what if the Avengers, but everyone was an asshole?" Or Tony Stark's Civil War-era Avengers (rimshot).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 4th 2021 at 8:15:36 AM

I think there was an “evil AU Avengers” episode of Avengers Assemble?

Yeah I remember uploading a couple clips of that episode just to mock the costumes.

Squadron Supreme did something to wipe out the Avengers memories and turn them all evil though only Cap actually experienced a full on evil costume switch, wearing the US Agent outfit.

A very ironic statement considering... you know...