Administrivia Text Formatting Rules Discussion

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03:13:08 AM May 25th 2016
edited by LucaEarlgrey
I've seen some editors make edits that simply change https links to http but nothing else. I'm guessing it's because encrypted links cause problems for some browsers and connections, but every time I see this practice there is no accompanying edit reason, and there's nothing on this page (or anywhere else on this wiki, to my knowledge) that says "don't use https links on the wiki because (reasons)".

Are weblinks here supposed to be non-SSL, and why (not)?
07:10:57 PM Feb 10th 2016
Is the section for Genre Box still necessary? I can't remember the last time I've seen that markup.
12:32:26 PM Aug 20th 2015
edited by mrincodi
Is there a way to add alt text to an image?
12:43:46 AM Aug 21st 2015
No, the current software is not set up for that. You'd have to check the Wiki Tech Wish List.
10:59:03 PM Jul 26th 2015
Is there a way to fix the title of [1] without rebuilding the page from scratch? Currently it's just one long word.
02:16:33 AM Jul 27th 2015
08:53:33 PM Jul 27th 2015
That's not the problem. This link [1] links to that page, and there's nothing wrong with the link.
11:38:29 PM Jul 27th 2015
Ah, so. You threw me off by misspelling the link. I've fixed it with a Custom Title.
11:49:06 AM Jul 22nd 2015
edited by ewolf2015
I need some more clarification on using folders and heading. It's not to work when i write them down with the formatting Here's a link [1] and also do folders work in forum discussions.
05:38:59 AM Apr 30th 2015
When should you mark for spoilers? How much spoiler-ish is a spoiler?

Is an important and enigmatic character introduced midway though a series spoilers, for example?
07:14:37 AM Apr 30th 2015
Might want to ask in Ask The Tropers about this.
08:08:48 PM Mar 31st 2015
How does one format song quotes?
01:57:08 AM Apr 1st 2015
What does "song quotes" specifically mean.
12:27:08 PM Nov 21st 2014
I was just trying to use the "auto PM" function with the tildes the page mentions on the forum, and it doesn't seem to work.

Was it disabled at some point, or am I (and the person I was testing it with) doing it wrong?
12:30:49 PM Nov 21st 2014
You are doing the right markup and it worked for me now.
12:39:50 PM Nov 21st 2014
When you say that, I assume you mean you looked up my posts and the markup I used on them's correct?
12:52:16 PM Nov 21st 2014
Commented in thread.
09:39:16 AM Sep 19th 2014
Should there be anchor points for some of the major sections of this, to allow people to link to specific formatting tips that are necessary on whatever occasion?
10:53:49 AM Sep 19th 2014
Eh, I don't think this page has as much of a problem with people not knowing its sections.
06:41:33 PM Jun 19th 2014
I noticed someone changed the section on quotes so that there is a space between the dash and the speaker's name, i.e.:

"Not everyone can win."
Alice, TV Tropes

instead of:

"Not everyone can win."
Alice, TV Tropes

Is this really necessary? Do we have an official policy on whether there should be a space between the dash and the speaker's name or not? I can see why a space would be desirable — I suppose it's easier to read. But as someone who generally prefers not to put a space, I was wondering if we're supposed to do one or the other, or if it's according to preference.
09:29:11 AM Aug 29th 2014
According to preference. In general, just leave whichever gets there first.
09:38:03 PM Apr 20th 2014
Do custom titles still not agree with slashes inside curly braces? Ran into an issue trying to pluralize Hurt/Comfort Fic.
09:30:02 AM Aug 29th 2014
I believe that if you add or drop letters from links using curly brace markup, any other custom title the link has is overridden; it's not just a slash thing.
01:07:43 AM Apr 13th 2014
edited by
May I add to the section about comments (made with percent signs) that they don't work in headings? Much to my chagrin? And that trying to make one with both the percent signs at the beginning will turn everything that follows — including new lines — into part of the heading, until the next heading? I discovered another bit of comment/heading weirdness, but I'm not sure how to describe it. Just seems that comments and headings don't like each other.
01:10:51 AM Apr 13th 2014
Added it.
03:19:28 PM Dec 12th 2013
I have a quick question:

What if you want to add links in the spoilers section?
06:24:35 AM Dec 13th 2013
It should work just like with normal links.
04:00:12 PM Oct 31st 2013
Is dialogue supposed to be in italics or not? I'm trying to be consistent, but I keep confusing the various rules.
02:11:37 AM Nov 1st 2013
edited by
Dialogue transcribed from a conversation...
Guy: (tentatively) Hello.
Gal: Piss off.
... should not be italicised. I generally do italicise little directions like "tentatively", but I don't know if you're supposed to.

Dialogue with only one character talking...
Piss off.
Gal, when Guy approached her.
... should be italicised.

Dialogue quoted directly from a book...
The guy walked up to the gal who had hated him all her life.
"Hello," he tried, going for a casual look.
"Piss off."
... should be italicised.
05:21:55 PM Oct 2nd 2013
edited by
There ought to be a warning that piped links produce erratic results if the url page name includes apostrophes or diacritical characters. Wikipedia uses both, so piped links should use a version of the url that omits them- Wikipedia will usually redirect to the actual page.
03:16:37 AM May 25th 2016
edited by LucaEarlgrey
Super late to the game but this also occurs with links containing non-ASCII Unicode characters, which can make it difficult to link to foreign-language Wikipedia pages and Pixiv tag searches, to name a few.

For example, trying to link to a Pixiv tag search for ねこあつめ (Neko Atsume) results in a search for ampersand-pound-12397-semicolon-etc. that yields 0 results.
04:38:57 AM May 15th 2012
A new markup for notes (very similar to hottips) has just been implemented. That should go on the page; I would do it myself, but I'm having trouble thinking of how to write it.

Also, should hottips be replaced with notes as we come across them? It seems like notes are able to do more — like potholes — but hottips are still valid and used. Thoughts?
08:18:38 AM Feb 21st 2012
Is it just me, or do table attributes not work?
06:43:37 PM Oct 24th 2011
edited by Webby
Random question: do folders work in discussions?

EDIT: I tested on this post, and yeah, they do.
05:58:45 AM Jul 22nd 2011
edited by MadAdder
Question about a text formatting convention I've seen:

Why do I see alternate versions of characters written as "alt-description!character"? This most commonly appears in the Back to the Future page for characters from different times or alternate timelines (e.g. the younger George McFly from 1955 might be written as 1955!George). It doesn't seem to have any effect on the markup, so where did this convention come from?
02:43:50 AM Jul 27th 2011
This isn't actually a formatting or markup convention; it's a conversational shorthand convention, like LOL. It doesn't affect the formatting, just saves the writer some typing.

I don't know where it comes from originally, but I've seen it around on Livejournal and online forums before TV Tropes got started.
05:59:43 PM Jul 28th 2011
I first saw used in discussions about fan fiction as far back as 1999. I think it may originally have come from a similar convention used by computer programmers.
02:02:34 PM May 18th 2011
There's something wrong with the folders on the Funny Moments page for Atop the Fourth Wall. Even though it is clearly formatted correctly, the actual folders won't appear, instead giving us the actual formatting at the top of the page, and a huge wall of text that cannot be shortened. Please help.
08:10:16 AM May 19th 2011
Never mind.
12:57:14 PM Apr 25th 2011
Hi, I want to make a video appear on the forum but I don't know how. Everytime I try I end up with a URL instead of the video. Can someone help?
02:08:36 AM Apr 22nd 2011
edited by ShadowDog
I just noticed something: Test/{{Trope}} gives Trope. Test.{{Trope}} gives Test.Trope.

On the page proper, the first is blue, the second red. Neither page exists. And when I posted it here, both are red. What the heck?
09:47:16 PM Apr 12th 2011
OK, strikethrough's gone. Can we have a note in this page that it used to exist, but no longer does? I just spent maybe a half-hour trying to figure out the proper syntax, trying to figure out why it wasn't working, and looking through pages for examples, only to find out that it's been removed. For others in that boat, it would be considerate to leave a note of that kind of change, rather than trying to make it look as though it never existed.
09:48:16 AM Apr 11th 2011
edited by MarqFJA
Where's the info on text sizing and colors? Because neither one is working for me using the "old" formatting methods.
04:54:10 AM Apr 2nd 2011
edited by martia02
What happened to the strikethrough text formatting?

the striked text disappears.

 [[ strike: the striked text disappears. ]] 
10:30:06 AM Apr 4th 2011
I've noticed the line regarding strikethrough text has been deleted from the help page about text formatting, so apaprently the feature's been intentionally removed.... just, what's the reason?
10:31:26 AM Apr 4th 2011
Overuse, as I understand it, since a lot of people were mainly using it to argue a point in the main page.
06:10:21 PM Mar 22nd 2011
About ~: There are several places where people have linked to All The President's Men as shown. I assume this is because it has an apostrophe in it. Only when you go to the All The President's Men page, the URL says

I tried to fix it, but it redirected instead:

Can somebody help me out here? Seeing "Ptitlemszpn5wu" makes me think that something is still wrong or incomplete.
09:28:40 PM Dec 1st 2010
I'd like to know how they implemented the formatting because it's the strangest thing I've seen. It's not HTML or CSS (and yes, I realize HTML can include CSS) so hell if I know.
09:21:36 AM Sep 10th 2010
Why is there no information on the page about text colors?
01:29:42 PM Nov 5th 2010
This is something that bothers me too.
05:11:09 AM Oct 1st 2011
I was just about to ask the same question. There is no page on the different colors that can be used on the wiki. Maybe it's to prevent misuse of colors... but then there'd have to be guidelines...
01:08:59 AM Aug 30th 2010
I hope this will get someone's attention; There's some kind of folder problem over on Infinity +1 Sword. I'm stumped. Somewhere along the line the folders on the page just stopped working, and I can't figure out what's wrong.
01:12:30 AM Aug 30th 2010
Folders break at some concentration of length/number of folder per page. Try splitting it in two.
01:16:16 AM Aug 30th 2010
If someone were to clean out all the natter from the video games folder, it should be small enough to work. The section is longer than some novels, right now.
01:13:11 AM Aug 4th 2010
For some reason, large text won't work for me.

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08:24:48 PM Aug 6th 2010
You have to put brackets to both sides of the pluses.

Like this: [++Homer Simpson++]

To get Homer Simpson

Also, it can go up to three levels, and the small text can possibly go higher levels (I tested up to about ten in the Wiki Sandbox: the bigger text stopped at three, smaller went on and on).
03:09:22 AM Jul 15th 2010
edited by FarseerLolotea
Never mind, figured it out. Line breaks are two slashes and a carriage return, with no spaces.
09:17:37 PM Jun 18th 2010
edited by mew_at_heart
Question on link formatting:

On the Girl Genius page, I've noticed that every so often, someone will make a massive edit to un-capitalize words like "of" and "the" in every trope name that has them (i.e. changing every name like CrowningMomentOfAwesome or PlanetOfHats into {{Crowning Moment of Awesome}} or {{Planet of Hats}}, respectively). And every so often, there'll be another massive edit that turns all those links back into plain old Wiki Word links.

Is there a favored version? I haven't found a rule anywhere, and it can be annoying to scroll through big edits in the history page trying to pick out actual new additions from countless changes in capitalization.
11:06:49 AM Jun 3rd 2010
how do you add quoted lines from a source? (like, a speech or a dialog)
05:04:26 PM Jun 5th 2010
Like this?
Character 1: Dialogue
Character 2: response to dialogue
Character 1: furthur dialogue

Three dashes, right-pointing-carrot symbol (the thing above the period on a QWERTY), three single quotes, character name, and then 3 more single quotes, with a colon either on the inside or the outside of the quotes (it doesn't really matter), the dialogue/whatever you want to add, repeat for further characters speaking.
11:54:32 PM Apr 18th 2010
the quote block example doesn't work... trying it in the sandbox. how do you actually quote?
10:13:15 PM Mar 7th 2010
Are monospaced fonts available? The old method does not work.

  • Lines indented with one or more spaces (or tabs) are monospace font.
05:46:39 PM Mar 13th 2010
Surround it with double @ symbols:

07:58:54 PM Mar 5th 2010
Since new edits will currently clobber the big table of characters (the table comes from older pmwiki software docs, but is reapportioned for our own use thanks to a little spin I added...), you can copy and paste from this text file to get it back, if you notice it’s wrong and someone else hasn’t gotten to it yet.
05:21:29 AM Mar 6th 2010
edited by WitchHunterRobin
URL put into main page for easy reference. Search for "%Aaand".
06:44:46 PM Mar 5th 2010
edited by Robotech_Master
We were talking about this over in the discussion of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Is there a preferred method of alphabetical order for listing tropes in TV show pages?

As a former library science student, I favor the word-by-word method used in libraries, in which shorter words come before longer words starting with the same letters—but there's also a letter-by-letter method, in which spaces are ignored and the words are alphabetized by letters only.

Whichever it is, it would be nice if it were stated somewhere clearly. I can't seem to find anything about it in a site search.
05:03:47 AM Mar 6th 2010
edited by WitchHunterRobin
Then there's the White Pages method, where blanks are ignored, but other punctuation and capital letters come before lowercase "a". That is, "F&Z Sweepers" sorts before "FTD Florists", which sorts before "Fabri-Tech Inc".

Since we're talking about characters in the Text Formatting Rules topic, I've created Characters/Text Formatting Rules as a place to document the recommended sorting order.
06:32:02 AM Mar 6th 2010
Making a sub-page seems counter-intuitive, why not put it on the main page?
11:36:08 AM Mar 6th 2010
edited by Robotech_Master
You do know that the "Characters" namespace refers to fictional characters, not the letter-number-or-symbol kind, right?

Furthermore, it doesn't seem to answer the question. I'm not talking about how to sort characters, but how to sort words with spaces in the middle.
10:19:14 PM Mar 7th 2010
Yes, I knew. Actually the whole thing started with a misunderstanding regarding tableofchars.txt - I interpreted it to mean that edits in the discussion forum would mess up formatting, so putting it on a separate page would keep it clean. Turns out I was wrong. Then the page was repurposed for character collation sorting, the that also was not a good idea. Thanks to whoever cleaned up the mess.
09:32:07 PM Apr 20th 2014
edited by
Whoops. Creating new thread.
07:12:43 AM Aug 29th 2014
Can someone add examples of the 'other tags' appended to the article? I can't get the invoked tag to work.
07:20:21 AM Aug 29th 2014
Huh. You need to put invoked into the example text.
09:39:29 AM Aug 29th 2014

* NameOfYMMVItem: [[invoked]] Explanation of how it applies in-universe.

The invoked tag can go anywhere on the line (before the trope name, at the end of the description, etc.) and still work, but I find it convenient to put it there.

Which page are you working on specifically?
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